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LOL, what is this. I am proposing a delete because it's full of disinformation, bias and things that make no sense. --Aryamehr

talk 00:59, 22 December 2008 (EET)

...What disinformation? Although written in BGBW's style, it's all factual, and the Erepublik staff members that were around for it (11/29 - 12/4 2007) could attest to all of it. You can still find posts made from the time with functioning embeds (Made by Stickmatrix), and I have a screenshot of me posting in /v/ through an <iframe> in an article comment. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:50, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Embed harks back to the early days of eRepublik and is believed to be one of Pakistan's earliest scientific discoveries. During the Beta stages Pakistani scientists discovered that Java scripts could be written in posts and take affect. This was mostly used to play hidden flash files. (No source. Personal opinion. Bias.) --Aryamehr talk 10:43, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Source is the early beta forum, if you could access that be my guest. This was back in the days when Pakistan was the biggest country and the whole place was full of leaks.--BGBW 13:26, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Well, guess what I can't and I am not the one who should haunt for the proof. You bring the proof that this happened. Saying stuff like, "Oh yeah it happened 50 years ago in the location of X" is not good enough without evidence. --Aryamehr

talk 18:20, 22 December 2008 (EET)

This all happened before you joined the game. I've been told that MiniBill and QJ have access to all of Dio's press releases, so I might be able to give you a page where the embeds are still functioning. No need to throw a hissy-fit. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:56, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Proof that you were the first? Press release proofs? If you don't got proof then you don't write articles, you get proof first then write. --Aryamehr

talk 18:14, 26 December 2008 (EET)

Talk about ignorance. The press releases are where the embeds happened - in the comments. I thought you read the article, which clearly states this fact.--BGBW 20:39, 26 December 2008 (EET)

As a result there was a mad scramble to change the image of Plato and the eRepublik logo. With a little tinkering the scientist's discovered the script could be used to change every image on the page in one swoop. (No source. ^[omitted] talk. It never happened. I have been on the game for one year and I never saw or heard anything about this. You WANTED to do it, but you couldn't.) --Aryamehr talk 10:43, 22 December 2008 (EET)

It happened in Pakistani articles, so unless you read them you would have missed them. There are some screen shots to prove it and I even provided the code.--BGBW 13:26, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Did not happen. The code does not even work whoever FOUND it on the internet tell them to try harder. It does not matter if it happened in /v/akistani articles or not, no proof no proof. The screenshots here does not show if they are the FIRST users to do this (let alone it being faked, chieftain seem to have some skills faking pics) --Aryamehr

talk 18:20, 22 December 2008 (EET)

I definitely remember articles switching Plato's face from Weegee to Dio to the Druid to IDORT and back and forth, etc. The functionality was removed, but the image in the article is an example of one of the ones we embedded. I personally don't have a screenshot of it, so I can ask a staff member to verify this one. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:56, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Don't worry Agent, he clearly got out of the wrong side of bed this morning. The code is from an old text file I keep, if you want I can provide more code. The iamges of the moon were images I made back in the day. Creation date is from the December 2007. Do you really think I made an image that long ago for the sole purpose that maybe one day I could add it to a Wiki page? I know you missed out on the good times of Erep, but there's no need to get your knickers in a twist about it.--BGBW 19:09, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Sure. Get whatever proof you can that you changed Plato's face. Get staff member. Metadata is not reliable proof as it can be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehr (talk • contribs) 18:14, December 26, 2008

The pictures were uploaded before their accuracy was challenged. Ergo, the metadata is intact. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

With V1's birth a new forum system was put in place and along with it a new age of embedding. Rather than using script tags, this used embed tags and instead of flash files, YouTube videos were the order of the day. HTML could also be used to add a background to the page for added fun. Originally it started with a few videos posted in threads, but those clever scientists dug deeper to adjust that code to make videos auto-play, loop and become hidden. Many say this was the highlight of V1 and even brought some Pakistanis back from the dead. It also lead to many chanting "Bomb Iran". Eventually the admins fixed the code and many Pakistanis left again. (No source again. Personal opinions. Lots of bias, "those clever scientists") --Aryamehr talk 10:43, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Sounds better than Pakistan's IRC channel and the Pakistan scientists appear in other articles.--BGBW 13:26, 22 December 2008 (EET)

I was there for this and can attest to it(and I am not apart of '/v/'/pakistan). If you weren't there Arayhmer then that's your own fault. It was the most fun I had ever had in erepublik. Most music pakistan posted was always awesome. Emerick's was just awful. Pierric Bross 14:42, 22 December 2008 (EET)

No source no candy. --Aryamehr

talk 18:20, 22 December 2008 (EET)

I am the new mod fellator of the off-topic forum.

I made this thread in response to "I am the new moderator of the off-topic forum", which was the first thread to have embeds. It contained at least 10 embedded YouTube videos on the first page alone. If you view the page's source, you should still see the embedded YouTube videos, as well as something that stops them from functioning. The YouTube embedded in the first post is "Shrek Metal". - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:56, 22 December 2008 (EET)

In the thread "L0gl0alga" I posted 50 embedes five months ago so I was faster than you. Funny how you know the "first embedded post". It's impossible for you to know that, because you know things other than /v/ exist. --Aryamehr

talk 18:14, 26 December 2008 (EET)

When did five month suddenly become longer time than a year?--BGBW 20:39, 26 December 2008 (EET)

Funny how you claim that my hard source is wrong, where you simply made something up off of the top of your head. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

On December 15, 2008 a lone Pakistani soldier discovered a way to sneak embed back in. He called to his piers and they all came running back to V1. Knowing time was short a great V1 party took place with all sortsh of music and trippy backdrops to dance the night away to. Even citizens of other nations joined in on the early Christmas celebrations. The admins noticed how much fun everyone was having and it brought a tear to their eye. Perhaps the Pakistani were right from the beginning and embed really does bring life to this war barren world. So they didn't strip us of embed but simply embraced it with new rules. Although this meant to more crazy backgrounds and songs it did mean the old parties could still be celebrated. (Again, ^[omitted]. Admin enabled it again. It was first disabled when I told george I believe that this would be a security risk but then they enabled it again for some reason. So no, no one discovered a way (who you trying to fool? a bunch of 24/7 gamers trying to act like pro programmers/hackers)) --Aryamehr talk 10:43, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Off Topic was in chaos, its just hard to see know since posts have been deleted (like the last ever embed) and all remaining code disabled. Fine, I'll adjust it to say the admins enabled it, but they made no announcement and it was Pakistan who discovered it was back up.--BGBW 13:26, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Same as my previous comment, including the part about emerick being awful. Pierric Bross 14:42, 22 December 2008 (EET)

It's disabled again. Also, it was disabled three separate times since the beginning of V1. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:56, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Proofs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehr (talk • contribs) 18:14, December 26, 2008

Proof that it is disabled? Well just try embedding in the forums, you see with your own eyes it doesn't work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BGBW (talk • contribs) 20:39, December 26, 2008

Are you kidding?^[1] - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Also, on the veracity of the images, check their metadata.

The screenshot I posted of me posting on /v/ should show two trips through Paint.net: the first one to save the screenshot, and the second one to censor "^[omitted]".
The other screeenshot was taken by some Swede when he made an article asking what was going on. I don't know what he used to save the screenshot, so ask him to verify them metadata and the timestamp.
The Moon versions of the Erepublik logo and Plato were made by BGBW last December. I used to have one I made myself with Weegee covering up the whole right side of the logo, but that's long gone. Anyways, check the timestamp in the metadata, and you should find that it matches the dates in the article.

- –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 19:05, 22 December 2008 (EET)

I don't care if you give some ^[omitted] explaination. I want proof which apparently you got none. Metadata is not realiable. If you want to play the "Eye witness" game then I will get plenty of my old friends that played in Iran to sign up here and testify against you (and trust me they will be more ;)). So you better get more proof, you had your attempt and this article lacks any kind of proof/source so I am putting on the deletion template. --Aryamehr

talk 18:14, 26 December 2008 (EET)

Is it me, or did you just admit that you intend to tell your friends to come and "testify" that it didn't happen, or in other words, you intend to forge evidence? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

I'd like to add another paragraph about when Gnol and Senor added it to article titles in June or July, and got a giant Osaka pic into the Top Rated. They did the same with a .gif of Dio in Sweden's media too, if I recall correctly. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:50, 22 December 2008 (EET)

I'd like others to add to it. I missed quite a bit of eRep during the summer so I missed that. --BGBW 13:26, 22 December 2008 (EET)

Put the source. This article contain NO SOURCES what so ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehr (talk • contribs) 18:14, December 26, 2008

In Talk:Iran you cite "eyewitnesses" as reliable sources. We have screencaps taken by eyewitnesses and the testimony of these eyewitnesses. --Althalus

03:03, 21 January 2009 (EET)

"it's full of disinformation, bias and things that make no sense." - then tag it accordingly. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 17:55, 26 December 2008 (EET)

I don't write things I am unsure or don't know much about, neither am I letting a few 24/7 gamers to make this place their playground. --Aryamehr

talk 18:31, 26 December 2008 (EET)

Nevermind. I added the three notices until this debate is over. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 18:35, 26 December 2008 (EET

This is HARDLY disputed. All it is is Koroush having a vendetta against Chief and everyone else and nitpicking and not accepting sources when they are given. Neutrality may be disputed, but I don't hardly think this deserves fictional.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher

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Hey girl, can I hit you back? 21:19, 26 December 2008 (EET)

Could you please shape this mess into order? --Mini "Template boy" Bill have a biscuit 01:39, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Done! Have fun at editing! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 02:20, 27 December 2008 (EET)

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Discovery

“ During the Beta stages Pakistani scientists discovered ”

Source? Sources [2][3] are invalid and do not work. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

They do work now, although I don't understand them as sources --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 15:49, 27 December 2008 (EET)

They're where Stickmatrix initially embedded flash files into the forums. They don't appear to function anymore after the V1 upgrade, but not only do the comments still show what was going on, but if you view the page's source, you should see the embedded files. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

No evidence. Just your comments. Show me the source, where is it? I can't find it in the source. Just because two people from Pakistan posted embed does not mean that they discovered it. This is not enough source for your statement. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Check the pages after the initial one, [2] and [3] People are discussing the music embedded by Stickmatrix. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:34, 28 December 2008 (EET)

First discovery

“ Embed harks back to the early days of eRepublik and is believed to be one of Pakistan's's earliest scientific discoveries. ”

Source that it was "Pakistan's earliest scientific discoveries". How do you know nobody else come up with it earlier? --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

There isn't any evidence of anyone else doing it. We, on the contrary, have evidence. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Giving a forum link as an evidence were there is no sign of embed is not evidence. Neither is giving a link where you claim embed exist and then say "you discovered it". There is a difference between discovering something and doing something. Perhaps if I look deep inside my files I will find sources of people doing it before you! ;) --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Looks like you've forgotten that embedding is turned off, and thus the effects aren't visible.

Also, what do you mean by "deep inside your files"? Are you implying that you were embedding things into eRepublik before you joined? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:36, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Newspaper comments

“ Later it was discovered the same could be done with newspaper article comments. This lead to the discovery that images on that page could be changed. As a result there was a mad scramble to change the image of Plato and the eRepublik logo. With a little tinkering the scientist's discovered the script could be used to change every image on the page in one swoop. ”

Source? That code does not work and is wrong. The pics are made in photoshop. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

How can you prove any of that? You're ignoring what I'm saying; the screenshots are genuine and will show when they were made, and we've already predicted the contents of the metadata. Also, how can you prove that the code does not work? Where we're providing evidence, you can't simply say that it's "fake" or photoshopped" without solid evidence that it's actually "faked" or "photoshopped". - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

The screenshots are not genuine. Metadata can be tampered with. I tested the code and it's not working. I can, the same way you give me a screenshot and say it's not fake I can say it's fake. You prove that it is not fake, since you are claiming it. If you can't prove it then don't. Besides, the metadata of the Plato and Erepublik images is dated in December so who you trying to fool? --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Of course the code won't work, since the picture of Pious has been removed from the server/moved somewhere else. Also like I said before, it works on the OLD comment system, or are you to new to have seen that?--BGBW 01:16, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Assuming it worked on Erep, I tested it on a similiar page and it did not work. It should work normally, why didn't it? Or is it some special code who only works on domains with erepublik.com? Haha. --Aryamehr

talk 01:17, 28 December 2008 (EET)

It was based on eRep code, so I guess the answer is yes, it only works on erepublik.com. 9_9--BGBW 01:21, 28 December 2008 (EET)

I'd like to see the circumstances of your test of the code, as well as your proof that the metadata has been tampered with. If they're fake, then show why and how they're fake.

Also, a pointer: I mentioned earlier that I specifically used Paint.NET to take my screenshot, where you have continuously claimed that I've used Photoshop. In other words, you're lying about the metadata'. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Autoplay

“ but those clever scientists dug deeper to adjust that code to make videos auto-play, loop and become hidden ”

Bias and unsourced. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

No, it's sourced. The embed code I provided contains the parameters "&autoplay=1" and "&loop=1", which cause the videos to play automatically and loop indefinitely. You can view the page sources of the links I've provided to find the same parameters being used. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Source that you are clever scientists? Source that the "clever scientists" found this? A lot of people on the internet who use autoplay and similiar, even on youtube afaik there is a guide on it! --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Clever scientists is colorful wording. Also, we're not claiming to have discovered Youtube's optional parameters, we're claiming to have used them. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:37, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Good, that's solved --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 21:00, 28 December 2008 (EET)

V1 Highlight?

“ Many say this was the highlight of V1 and even brought some Pakistanis back from the dead. It also lead to many chanting "Bomb Iran".

Eventually the admins fixed the code and many Pakistanis left again. ”

This article seems to be some kind of "/v/akistan & 4chan was the inventor of embed, flash files etc" and trying to make it all about /v/akistan and 4chan, seriously, go write this kind of crap in 4chan.org and leave us alone eh? Unsourced, bias. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Who else was embedding the files at the time? According to you, anything that mentions Pakistan at all is "biased". The sources I've provided show us embedding files. If you can provide sources on the contrary showing others prominently embedding, then you can be my guest. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

A lot of people really. You were definitely not the first one. You don't get it. You can't pick 1 good thing out of 1000 bad things and claim that it's the best. In this case, you take 1 screenshot from a thread out of 1000s of threads where embed where used, in this particular screenshot/thread there happens to be a... who did it and now magically you are the founder and creator of everything! Grow up. The evidence you have is not solid enough for such statements you make nor is it worthy an article. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

You can't make claims like the one you just made without citing your evidence. We were the first ones to embed files in this manner, and we've provided evidence. If you can show me "1000s of threads where embed where used" before November 29th, 2007, then you're more than welcome, otherwise, our evidence holds. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:40, 28 December 2008 (EET)

With V1 birth

“ With V1's birth a new forum system was put in place and along with it a new age of embedding. Rather than using script tags, this used embed tags and instead of flash files, YouTube videos were the order of the day. HTML could also be used to add a background to the page for added fun. Originally it started with a few videos posted in threads, but those clever scientists dug deeper to adjust that code to make videos auto-play, loop and become hidden. Many say this was the highlight of V1 and even brought some Pakistanis back from the dead. It also lead to many chanting "Bomb Iran".

Eventually the admins fixed the code and many Pakistanis left again. ”

I am the new mod fellator of the off-topic forum. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Playground

“ The admins noticed how much fun everyone was having and it brought a tear to their eye ”

This is not your playground to write ^[omitted]. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Coincidentally, this is also not a place to use foul language. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Good comeback kiddo. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Sorry, but that would be called a response. Unlike you, I'm not breaking rule 7 and insulting every editor that disagrees with me. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:42, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Life in embed?

“ Perhaps the Pakistani were right from the beginning and embed really does bring life to this war barren world. ”

Unsourced. Bias. Source [10] does not work and is invaild. Source 4, 5, 6 does not work and is invalid. Source 7 & 8 does not work and are invalid. All of these sources give 404 page error, thus not classified as a source. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Source now wok --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 15:59, 27 December 2008 (EET)

On December 15

“ On December 15, 2008 a lone Pakistani soldier discovered a way to sneak embed back in. He called to his piers and they all came running back to V1 ”

Unsourced, bias. --Aryamehr talk 15:23, 27 December 2008 (EET)

I announced its return on page 2 of "I am the new mod fellator of the offtopic forum". - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

First of all- You make a thread with embed and claim you were the first one? Wrong. I saw it in many threads long time before you made that thread. Source that you called your piers and they all came back? According to me they never left, so source that too please and stop trying to make it look like everybody left when only a couple did. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

According to you they never left? This is my point, you think that your word counts as a valid source. However, it doesn't, especially when actual evidence proves the opposite.

By date, my thread was the first. Sources aren't proven by whether or not "they're your word", they're proven by facts. This was how I informed everyone about the feature's return, and there are no prior references to embed being reenabled before that date.

Also, the way I informed people was through PM and through IRC. I can take a screenshot of PMs that were sent, and I can provide IRC logs of me informing people in #/v/akistan on Rizon and #erepublik on QuakeNet on it's return. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:48, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Questioning the sources

Sources 2 and 3 can not be considered source as it provides nothing.

Incorrect, they are the first instances of embedding on the forums. You can view the page source to see the files Stickmatrix embedded (Carmelldansen and the Portal elevator theme), and the replies to both topics contain comments about both, even calling the embedded songs by name. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

I am not hunting after your source. You give it to me and I will decide if it's reliable or not, give exact instructions with pics so I can see how I can find it. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Can you prove that the source is not reliable, then? I would like to see your evidence that these are not in fact the first instances of embedding. I've proven them, but you haven't actually disproven them. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:56, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Sources 1, 4, 5 are useless as nobody is saying that "Embed" never existed.

You were earlier, it seems that you've changed your mind. Also, I recall you threatening to bring your friends to this argument to say that it never happened, am I incorrect? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

No I weren't. If you read what I wrote you can see that I even talked to George about embed. Stop trying to cause a mess. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

>"No I weren't"

Reading what you wrote, I'm still correct. Also, I highly recommend studying English past tense of "to be". - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:56, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Sources 6, 7 and 8 can not be considered source as it provides nothing.

If embed was reenabled, you would be able to see the effect I've described. You can check the CSS ma1kel used (It's visible in Source 8 without viewing the page's source). - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

I am not hunting after your source. You give it to me and I will decide if it's reliable or not, give exact instructions with pics so I can see how I can find it. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Can you prove that the source is not reliable, then? I would like to see your evidence that these are not in fact the first instances of embedding. I've proven them, but you haven't actually disproven them. (I can copy and paste responses too) - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:56, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Source 9 only provides one topic, can not be considered a reliable source.

Why can't it be considered a reliable source? This is your opinion, not a fact. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

It's fact. You can't claim say "Aryamehr is the poorest guy in this world" with one article that makes no sense. --Aryamehr

talk 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

I don't see how the source could "not make sense", as you put it, as it's not hard to see. Also, don't try setting up a strawman argument; you're making the nature of the source sound malicious. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:56, 28 December 2008 (EET)

All your sources provide nothing. Try again.

--Aryamehr talk 16:46, 27 December 2008 (EET)

View the source code behind the pages I've listed, and read the comments in the threads. I can show you how to view page sources in Firefox if you really don't know how.
Review the metadata of the images provided, and prove that they are photoshopped. We've already said what the metadata should contain, and we have not altered the pictures after you challenged their veracity. Both Adobe Photoshop and Paint.NET should leave timestamps in the file metadata showing when they were edited.
Provide sources showing that Stickmatrix was not the first person to embed files into the forum. Keep in mind that you registered more than two weeks after this took place, so attempting to add code into your old articles (As you have done in the past with the fictional quotes in your autobiography) is futile.

- –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

More sources

“ The admins noticed how much fun everyone was having and it brought a tear to their eye.

So they didn't strip us of embed but simply embraced it with new rules. ”

EMBED is allowed, but with some conditions

“ Even citizens of other nations joined in on the early Christmas celebrations. ”

Embrace Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ

Embedded YouTube video:

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/XXXXXXXXXX&hl=nl&fs=1&autoplay=1&loop=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true"
 width="0" height="0"></embed>

Embedded background image:

<body background="http://iXX.tinypic.com/XXXXXX.gif">

- –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 05:09, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Mess

Sorry if I messed it up, but it needed some organization --Mini "Template boy" Bill have a biscuit 16:01, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Done with the signatures. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:41, 27 December 2008 (EET)

~~All my comments are gone? :(~~ Scrap that. Nevermind. --BGBW 19:20, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Resolution?

I'm proposing tagging the article as highly biased and "artistical" and moving on. What do you think? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:44, 27 December 2008 (EET)

+1 considering that someone is never gonna let it exist other ways --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 19:50, 28 December 2008 (EET)

What exactly is the point of keeping biased, worthless, meaningless articles just to bring down the quality of this wiki? If they want to have a playground they can start a blog and write whatever they want. This is not their playground! --Aryamehr

talk 16:48, 27 December 2008 (EET)

Case in point: Emperor.

Also, I'd like to affirm that your behavior (Cursing, ranting, and name-calling) is more reminiscent of playground behavior than ours (Civil, respectful, and courteous). - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:22, 27 December 2008 (EET)

But embedding has a history on this forum and the fact the admins made specific rules on the subject shows its importance. It's not my fault that it was an activity that Pakistan took an active role in.--BGBW 00:45, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Aryamehr, why did you remove my previous comment? Trying to destroy free speech?--BGBW 01:13, 28 December 2008 (EET)

DELETION

Why it should be deleted

The whole purpose of this page is to praise the... and little about the actual embed.
The screenshots are not from the ancient times but new, they have been tampered with using Paint.NET & Photoshop CS3.
The sources included does not make any sense nor does it include the necessary information.
A proper page of Embed could be made without any specific mention of certain people. Due to there being two sides this can never be solved.
AgentChieftain agrees that this page has bias.
- So go for {{Neutrality}} or {{Fictional}}, not for {{Deletion}} --Mini "Template boy" Bill have a biscuit 19:49, 28 December 2008 (EET)
  - Good job reading all the other points first. You want to turn this wiki into fictional articles? --Aryamehr talk 19:55, 28 December 2008 (EET)
The claims do not have strong enough source. Example: Putting links to a thread and claiming they were the first one doing this. That's not enough proof to claim "first discovery by... "
None of the links provided show any sign of embed. AgentChieftain refuses to do correct instructions so we can find them.
This page is useless and all it contributed so far is fights and arguments.
The screenshots show the "Church of the New World" which started in August! His google searchbar shows stuff about Istanbul/Constantinople which was around the the time that goons arrived. Apparently faked.
One of the screenshots are from the time of August somewhere, still makes no sense. Nobody is denying that embed actually existed here. It did exist.
There is no evidence of who really changed the logo & Plato, assuming everything they claim is right. No links, nothing. Just a srceenshot as evidence that it has been changed. This is just like me putting up an image and claim I did it without any other proof.
The editor arguing against deletion is the agitator of said fights and arguments
Metadata is not a reliable source as it can be tampered with.
The provided code does not work as it's supposed to. It does not have to be tested on the old system, if you test it on a normal page it should work but it does not.

It does work --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 19:49, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Show then? --Aryamehr

talk 19:55, 28 December 2008 (EET)

this one maybe? --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 20:53, 28 December 2008 (EET)

That is not what I am talking about, I am talking about the script code. --Aryamehr

talk 21:06, 28 December 2008 (EET)

The script code is right --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 21:15, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Why do you say "it works, it's right" without directly showing the proof? --Aryamehr

talk 21:16, 28 December 2008 (EET)

For rhe same reason I don't prove you 1+1=2 --Mini "Template boy" Bill

have a biscuit 21:34, 28 December 2008 (EET)

--Aryamehr talk 19:20, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Why it shouldn't be deleted

The bias could be removed as soon as the source disputes are resolved
The code worked in December 2007, and the person has no means of proving that it didn't, as he doesn't have access to the eRepublik source code before the feature was disabled, and thus can't test the code
The metadata has been proven to be accurate, Aryamehr is intentionally leaving out "2007"
The sources can be proven accurate by embedding being temporarily turned on, or confirmed by Admin via a sandbox test
As stated in the first point, the bias can be removed as soon as the source disputes are resolved
Bias is no reason to delete an entire page with nineteen sources
There is no evidence proving otherwise, thus the evidence is de facto
"Proper instructions" have never been noted and embed is currently disabled
The editor proposing deletion is the agitator of said fights and arguments
The press release had fully functioning embeds until V1, when press releases were removed (They were originally taken to promote a recruitment thread). Also, Aryamehr is directly contradicting himself
BGBW himself changed Plato, as well as most of the Pakistani around at the time, and it would constantly change due to the last code being the one left visible
The metadata couldn't have been tampered with, because most of the images were uploaded after their truthfulness was questioned.

Furthermore,

Aryamehr is using this list format to avoid responding to the above argument (All of his claims have been disproven)

I disagree, the best way to solve this dispute is with opening the discussion, and we can find where the consensus lies. I move to say that Aryamehr must provide evidence of his counterclaims in order to prove that the sources are false, as he has yet to give any proof of tampering apart from "I don't believe it, therefore it doesn't count".

Additionally, he is likely going to revert this edit, proving that he is attempting to restrict the argument in fear of consensus going against him. I'd be delighted if this edit remains, and others take part in the discussion. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:46, 28 December 2008 (EET)

I'm touched that he decided not to start an edit war this time. Maybe there is hope for him after all. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:37, 28 December 2008 (EET)

More Code

For those curious, here are the other codes:

Logo:

<script>
var j; for (j = 0; i < document.images.length; j++)
{
   if (document.images[j].src == "http://www.erepublik.com/parts/EN/logo-erepublik.gif")
   {
       document.images[j].src = "replacement pictre.tiff";
       break;
   }
}
</script>

Change everything on the page:

<script>
var i; for (i = 0; i < document.images.length; i++)
{
    document.images[i].src = "replacement picture.bmp";
}
</script>

Also the original links of the uploaded files I personally used:
Wario - http://i9.tinypic.com/7y5hyc8.jpg
Moon - http://i4.tinypic.com/82k9gt1.jpg
Moon - http://i15.tinypic.com/8eidid5.gif
Capt. Falcon - http://i6.tinypic.com/86yyh4i.png

--BGBW 20:58, 28 December 2008 (EET)

HARRO

I'll work a bit of the wording of this article. Managed to find proof that Admins did enjoy the changes, which even mentions Dio. So that kills that dispute.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 21:34, 6 January 2009 (EET)

So I have addressed many of the issues concerned. Colourful language has been adjusted. I have even found proof that the admins were aware of the issue a year ago. The admin says that Dio was used to replace Plato. I think this helps prove that the Pakistanis were the dominant force back then.

As far as bias and opinions are concerned I have reworded and removed sentences such as "bringing tears to the admin's eye". As far as mentioning Pakistan, I have toned it down, but I believe it requires mentioning as they were the ones to do it the most and as said before I have an admin quote to back this up and the article cited has a Pakistani member (dead long ago so no recent editing here) talking about embedding, not just Plato changing, but flash and MP3s as well.

I have added a note about how to view the sources as a certain member had trouble doing this. So as far as I can see most of the issues raised have been addressed. If you have any further doubts please tell me now and I'll try to fix them as soon as possible, otherwise I think it is ready to move back to its original home. --~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 15:10, 7 January 2009 (EET)

I don't see any areas lacking sources, everything that is in the article is accounted for. As it stands, this is the most well-sourced article on the entire wiki.

You've pretty much nailed it. I believe a BRO FIST is in order. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 16:34, 7 January 2009 (EET)

Moving back

Well I fixed everything that was pointed out and I've left this page ready for viewing for a few days now. I'll move it back to it's original home. It'll also mean more people will look at it and bring their opinions to the table. I won't remove the header for now until the admins approve of it.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 14:58, 10 January 2009 (EET)

Victoly

Looks like the admins have deemed the article to be of a satisfactory quality. Misson Complete.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 14:04, 12 January 2009 (EET)

Finalembed.png?

Why was this removed? It illustrated that posts were indeed hidden after the new rules.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 10:59, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Sources again

Hi,

Section 1

How is exactly source [2] and [3] sources? I checked through the source of [2] and found no signs of any kind of embed, maybe I missed it. Can somebody show me?

Well it was there I remember seeing it with my own eyes and you can see by the comments on the third page that people are remarking on it. Maybe I should change source 3 to link to the third page rather than the first.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, however I believe only evidence would apply. Comments does can not imply something happened. After all, those who commented are friends/supporters. If you find any signs of embed, please write here. I will wait a few days. --Aryamehr

talk 23:49, 14 January 2009 (EET)

...Are you implying that people are lying about the embedded music?

As far as "friends/supporters" go, on page 3 of "PAKISTAN"^[4], three Swedes, two Iranians, an American/Japanese and a Norwegian comment on the music. On pages 3-5 of "Seriously guys, why's it called the Xbox 360?"^[5], two Canadians, an American, and a Australian/South African comment on the music, as well as many others. If you don't mind me asking, how far do you think the "Pakistani Illuminati" extends? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:55, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Sorry, thanks for trying however pure evidence is needed for this strong statement that you are doing. Comments are not pure nor strong evidence and "implying people are lying" does not work either as I can get the whole Iranian population to say something and then you say it's not true. --Aryamehr

talk 16:02, 15 January 2009 (EET)

So writing is now not evidence? Come forth people of ErepWiki, all forum posts and articles are now not reliable proof. If people there on the spot write clearly say something is happening then it is concrete. Also, no offence, but the Admin has reviewed this article and only removed one image they thought was clearly not needed.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 17:50, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Except that these comments are five months old, and the posts were not edited, and the people you claimed to be "friends/supporters" are far from it, which I believe entirely disproves your claim.

Also, allow me to point out that Shakir Nasrollah commented on the music in the threads.

	“ Shakir Nasrollah is the primary one as he was in this game before me. You saying he is biased too? He is a liar? This is fact. No one has said no it has not happened. Everyone in Iran agree to it as well. You claim 2000 players are liars? If you don't believe PM a few random people and ask. ”
	(Aryamehr, disproving his own argument)

- –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:04, 15 January 2009 (EET)

I am not disproving my own argument. I just asked a question which as far as I remember you did not answer. If I make a thread with five users posting that I am the best in Erepublik, would it be reliable? --Aryamehr

talk 16:05, 31 January 2009 (PST)

Of course not, and that's a terrible example. This would be twenty or so users, Shakir Nasrollah being one that you've argued is reliable, proving the existence of the first embed before V1 was implemented by acknowledging it's existence. Why would they be discussing it if it was not actually there in the first place? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:24, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Let me get this straight, the only evidence you have is a thread with users saying "Great music" yet no other sign of great music (Don't go into "no it wasn't great music it was GrEaat Music") --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

I have no idea if the statement "Embed harks back to the early days of eRepublik and is believed to have been discovered by the citizens of Pakistan first. During the Beta stages Pakistan discovered that Java scripts could be written in posts and take affect. This was mostly used to play hidden flash files." is accurate or not (this happened before I encountered eRepublik). I left a message on Admin's talk page to declare if the statement is true or not. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

We confirm that the debated statement is accurate. --Admin 13:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Section 2

"Originally it started with a few videos posted in threads, but a Pakistani found adjusting the code could make videos auto-play, loop and become hidden.[9] Furthermore, CSS was used to cause certain effects, such as hiding the reply box.[10][11] Some say this was their highlight of V1 and even brought some Pakistanis back from the dead after they heard the news on IRC. It also lead to many chanting "Bomb Iran". Eventually the admins fixed the code."

Pakistani? According to Erepublik, he was an Iranian: http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/781101

Ma1kel is a [/v/]Pakistani I can assure you. I'm on IRC with him as I type.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, however you assuring that he is a "/v/akistani" does not help a bit. Hard fact shows that he lived in Iran, Semnan. History shows that he worked in Iran, participated in media and politics. --Aryamehr

talk 23:49, 14 January 2009 (EET)

I'll tell ma1kel to stop by this talk page next time he's online. You just missed him. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:07, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding and Good luck. --Aryamehr

talk 00:20, 15 January 2009 (EET)

I'm a Pakistani yes, I moved into Iran for a day or 3 before I got banned. ma1kel 22:31, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Interesting. Can you explain why you have yourself written that you are of Mexican nationality in your own page ma1kel? --Aryamehr

talk 16:05, 31 January 2009 (PST)

Bump. --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Changed to "but a citizen found" because (due to game mechanics), nationality of players cannot be determined with certainty. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Good. :) --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Section 3

Seeing that it was proven otherwise, I don't see how the unreferenced info of "brought some Pakistanis back from dead" has to do with it. It's not they are some special people.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/holy-shit-embed-is-back-692273/1

--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET) Maybe I should add this source I found today.

Thanks for responding, however your article shows nothing at all. 12 Votes, and there are more active... than those who left. Majority of those who wrote are still active, included Dr Tanner who just wrote a shout 6 days ago. --Aryamehr

talk 23:49, 14 January 2009 (EET)

I'm sorry, but is there a minimum amount of votes and comments for this to be considered invalid? In this case, it's your opinion versus his article, and only one of the above counts as a source. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:07, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding. Don't be sorry! There is something called how reliable a source is, in this situtation it's not reliable at all. I wouldn't even call it source. You using it as a source is a sign of weakness.

A "sign of weakness"? I'm not following; this isn't supposed to be a fight, and we've provided more than twenty sources thus far, and the page even has Admin's approval.

What kind of evidence would you need to show that many old Pakistani revived on the day, apart from this news article? As far as I can tell, eRepublik is incapable of providing such evidence, as it does not show dates when users had previously died and revived. If I recall correctly, BGBW himself was one of the people who revived on that day, as well as Dr. Tanner. Wouldn't their claims be enough to count as evidence, when the game itself is incapable of providing dates? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:43, 15 January 2009 (EET)

First of all; What I am saying that that text is not even worth having in this page as it provides NOTHING to the page other than glory and praise. Secondly, there is no way it can be proved because then you have to prove that you... left in the first place which only a few of you left, not that many as you make it sound and those who left never came back. Embed is not as it was before yet those you claim revived for Embed is still playing which makes your evidence pretty weak. This game is incapable of many things; I can say that this game does not have a search function so we can use it and see who truly used embed for the first time. --Aryamehr

talk 16:02, 15 January 2009 (EET)

As long as it proves something then a source is a source. If your complaint is about the source being biased, well the fact is that EVERY source has bias. I could find one of my posts/comments where I mentioned I was leaving but eRep doesn't have a nice feature to find my post history.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 17:50, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Dio made an official statement that announced his leave. Believe it or not, your conspiracy theory isn't enough evidence to discredit the fact that most of the Pakistani announced that they quit. Your opinions are not sources, and you cannot disprove a source simply by saying "I disagree". Also, I fail to see how a line mentioning players reviving brings us "glory and praise", you're grossly exaggerating the effect this one sentence brings to the article. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:04, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Dio made annoucement to leave, what about the others? Do you have any evidence that you people left this game in the first place? Or is it just opinion, like you said it happened and I say it did not happen as I can see the everyday people still posting at forums for example, the most active ones were still playing. And again, I see no point of having that in this article, it makes it biased. We need to keep it neutral with facts only. --Aryamehr

talk 16:05, 31 January 2009 (PST)

Most of the others made the same announcements, most notably Altnabla, the commander of the Pakistani Mobile Forces. If you would like, I can add these two as sources for this statement, however adding all of them as sources is sloppy and unnecessary. Also, your theory that we never left is your opinion, and there is no need to include your irrelevant conspiracy theories in this case, especially when it's unsourced in itself. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:24, 2 February 2009 (PST)

That's one. You got no sources, I got no sources. So nobody writes anything about it. What you are saying is, "NO I KNOW EVERYONE LEFT I HAVE TO WRITE ABOUT IT" with absolutely no sources. --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

I can testify that after the V1 launch, at least 15 active citizens of Pakistan revived. By activity, I mean own articles + article comments + comments in the forums. By citizens of Pakistan, I mean citizens that are very well known by their continuous Dio Brando related comments in the forums. If you wish more exact details about their names and numbers, you can ask Admin. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps since you testified you can name a few names? (You don't need to name all of them) I am just curious in your opinion who you consider to be "Pakistani" etc. --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Me.http://www.erepublik.com/sfSimpleForum/userLatestPosts/username/BGBW/page/82 (look at that 3 month gap)--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 12:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Section 4

Also would like to see the source on the "Bomb Iran" chanting.

It was a YouTube video. If you want I could try and find a thread with it in, but don't expect that too soon.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, that's what I was looking forward to, threads with people chanting "Bomb Iran" or even embedding the videos (One does not count, as it does not in any way mention that it's only one.)

As noted in the bottom of the article, you shouldn't be able to see embeds. I'm not sure what the article means by "chanting", but a handful of users were embedding the song into every active thread at the time, so this phrase can be reworded to reflect this. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:07, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding but I don't see any sources from you. --Aryamehr

talk 00:20, 15 January 2009 (EET)

I'll have to do some digging for the threads they were embedded into. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:43, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Put your time digging then! I have to admit you have a pretty exciting life. --Aryamehr

talk 16:02, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Adorably backhanded insult you managed to place there. Are you capable of stating your disagreement without trying to make ad hominem attacks? - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:04, 15 January 2009 (EET)

You know it would be useful if you did some work as well. All you are doing is making a lot of hot air.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 17:50, 15 January 2009 (EET)

So have you found this yet? --Aryamehr

talk 16:05, 31 January 2009 (PST)

Bump --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Commented it, until anyone cand provide a source that the video in question was used. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Good decision! :) --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Question, how do I source old user posts when the source page will constantly change?--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 12:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Section 5

"a Pakistani posted on their IRC channel that embed had been re-enabled by the admins resulting is many running back to V1"

Agent said he'd get the chatlog if needs be.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, not that chatlog is perfect evidence that can't be modified, it's better than anything. Also please see what I wrote below. --Aryamehr

talk 23:49, 14 January 2009 (EET)

So, chatlog? Where is it?--Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Bump --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)Insert non-formatted text here

I can testify that after the V1 Embed in Forum rules were published, at least 10 active citizens of Pakistan revived. See section 3 to understand better what I mean by "active" and "citizens of Pakistan".

I fail to see how this is relevant to the text. Should we mention that say, Joe told his friends that it was re-enabled? Yeah? I can add these stuff. As far as I know a lot of Iranians did the same!

I suggest you propose a rewording. Like I said earlier, the fact that Embed was allowed in forum concided with the revival of some citizens from Pakistan. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

This is what I believe also, rewording it without mentioning any side IMO. --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll reword it later.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 12:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Section 7

"great V1 party" Please define this party. Not everyone participated in it, there were people hating to join threads to get loud music in their ears.

Well I could add the words "took place in Off Topic". Who says you have to enjoy the party in order for it to be one.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:14, 14 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, but is it a party just because a few... say it is? I wouldn't say so.

That's your opinion. I'd call tens of threads with crazy music and flashing background images a party, as far as the eRepublik forums are concerned. Remember: Your opinion isn't enough evidence to invalidate a source. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:07, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for responding, but can you prove "tens of threads with crazy music and flashing background images?" I am a regular "forumer" and I only saw one thread with CHANGED background image (not even flashing). Crazy music, uhm, sure. Should mention that there were people who didn't like this also. --Aryamehr

talk 00:20, 15 January 2009 (EET)

As I've said before, none of the effects are currently visible. Many threads I've already listed (Embrace our lord and savior Jesus Christ, I am the new moderator of the off topic forum, I am the new mod fellator of the off topic forum) had embedded background images as well as embedded YouTube videos. The first page of the "Jesus" thread had a massive image of the crucifixion, the "Moderator" thread had a "rave" gif of the HA! HA! guy on the first page, a .gif zooming into David Hasslehoff's groin on the second, and a large black and white spiral on the third. The "Mod Fellator" thread had a fast blinking black and white background, as well as a second use of the large spiral. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:43, 15 January 2009 (EET)

http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/79376/gentlemen/1

“ THe forums rock. It's like a party except not as fun. ”

Like a party eh.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 01:22, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Thanks for trying, however what you are saying is your personal opinion. You see this as a great party, I see this as a few spammers ruining the game. Therefore no matter what you say or no matter what you do that text is not appropriate. I have nothing else to say, that text has to be changed. It's not a party. A lot of people complained and disliked joining threads with random music playing. Also after a quick check on the links below, it's just the same people doing it, thus spamming. --Aryamehr

talk 16:02, 15 January 2009 (EET)

I find a quote of someone who is not a Pakistani at the time of embedding, proven by an embed being in that thread, calling V1 a party and you dismiss it? Nice.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 17:50, 15 January 2009 (EET)

Once again, I remind you that your opinions do not count as sources and thus cannot disprove a source. If you want to properly discredit a source, you have to provide a sources that proves the contrary. In this scenario, since the article is calling reference to a quote made about the subject, it would take Pierric Bross himself stating the contrary to disprove his own opinion, as he is the one who compared the threads with embedding to a party. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 18:04, 15 January 2009 (EET)

You have opinions also. According to you and Y amount of people it was a party. According to me and X amount of people it was a spamfest. So this is biased and should be reworded. --Aryamehr

talk 16:05, 31 January 2009 (PST)

Spamfest - a party with spam. Glad that was settled.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:58, 1 February 2009 (PST)

No it is not settled. It was not a fest/party in any way. It was annoying! --Aryamehr

talk 06:37, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Since you apparently haven't given up on this notion even though your claim was just disproven, you should consider getting a source that calls embeds annoying, so your opinion can actually be validated and added as a counterclaim. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:24, 2 February 2009 (PST)

It is settled. I added a load more sources the other day, but I guess you are too busy to check the actual article.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 11:20, 5 February 2009 (PST)

Nothing is settled until you show the sources I asked for right here and not in the article. --Aryamehr

talk 12:53, 5 February 2009 (PST)

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEmbed&diff=81510&oldid=81504 - feel free to change the note I added anyone you like. I added that note because the team received numerous mails that the Embeding "rampage" is "annoying". --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I want to change is "spamfest" ... to perhaps "annoying spam" or something similiar. --Aryamehr

talk 11:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I still don't see why you undid my change. The ref was me leaving a note that a source needs to be added for when I get home and scrummage through my history. Your points must be treated in the same light as ours.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 12:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Regards, --Aryamehr talk 21:53, 14 January 2009 (EET)

List of threads I found from the first V1 embedding spree:

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http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/79385/choose-run/1

http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/79667/nostalgia-goggles-on-full-force/2

Happy days.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 01:22, 15 January 2009 (EET)

HELLO.

Better take a look at the "Sources again".

I will start adding the ref templates soon. --Aryamehr talk 08:10, 2 February 2009 (PST)

A ref template on the most referenced article on this Wiki. One template is enough and the admins haven't had their say yet on the issue.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:13, 2 February 2009 (PST)

It's amazing I have to spend so much time trying to make a few gamers understand something. You don't get it, you are not providing source for a few things thus I can already go on and add the ref template because it's been two days but I am being nice and giving you a second chance. --Aryamehr

talk 08:14, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Two days since what? I see no fictitious source links anywhere on the article. Those must be added first.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:17, 2 February 2009 (PST)

If two days go and there is no evidence given it can be marked as unreferenced, after 7 days it can be marked as fictional. Please read the policy, as you promised when you joined this wiki. --Aryamehr

talk 08:19, 2 February 2009 (PST)

But you have ignored most of the evidence have given and we are waiting for your evidence to prove us wrong. Also that was a simple mixing up of numbers. I did read the policy matey.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:22, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Haha wow. May I ask your IQ? (You do not have to answer if you do not want to) however if you take a close look there are things that you 24/7-gamers have not even bothered responding at. --Aryamehr

talk 08:24, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Calling me a 24/7 gamer and an idiot (clearly implied by asking for my IQ) offends me dearly, please be more considerate. I have responded to your requests and I now sit waiting for your evidence. You forget this article has been approved of by the admins and nothing has been added since, so at the moment the ball is in your court to prove the facts wrong.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:28, 2 February 2009 (PST)

What is wrong with you calling you a 24/7 gamer? That's what you people say yourselves too. If you don't want to be called 24/7 gamer then say you don't want to. I did not call you an idiot (even though you insulted me before) and if you felt insulted please accept my most humble of humblest apologizes, it was just a questions. You still haven't responded to my requests. It does not matter if it's approved by admins are not, so far neither of them has said that you can't ask for proof. --Aryamehr

talk 08:31, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Requesting source on where I called myself a 24/7 gamer. I never said you can't ask for proof, but you are not playing a fair game. We provide proof and you don't. The ball is in your court buddy. We provided the facts, you now need to prove they are false somehow.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 08:35, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Have you ever considered not trying to insult other editors while asking these questions? Also, seeing how Admin has already approved of the page, I'm curious as to which claims can be considered fictitious, especially since the article already has more than twenty sources. Meaning, that it cannot be marked as fictional. - –Dr. AgentChieftain

^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:24, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Neutrality

I removed the Neutrality template.
Regarding the whole discussion above:

@Aryamehr - please be bold! If you consider that you can improve the article - improve it and (if you consider neccessary and polite) state your reasons for the change in the talk page
@AgentChieftain and BGBW - please assume good faith - when someone asks for references (in this case Aryamehr), it doesn't mean that he/she has "evil" intentions. References are asked when an article is considered (based on the words in it) to contain fictional content or is considered to be biased. Please view any asking for references as a way to improve the article to be more accurate or the words in it to be considered less biased

I know that a more "polite" way would have been to write these things in each one's talk pages, but I consider that this opinion (of mine) should be stated here because:

Aryamehr could have improved the article more directly (by improving the actual article and by proposing rephrases)
AgentChieftain and BGBW could have viewed Arymahers' attitude as a normal one and not be so "defensive" in their answers

I apologize if my humble opinion is not apropiate enough for the whole discussion! Just my 2 eurocents! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 21:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Since there are two biased sysops who hate me. I refrain from editing pages (along with many other things) as I know they are both looking for excuses to ban me for every single little thing and also working with a few other editors that do not like me in order to ban me, pretty sad is it? I wonder why you are turning your face away on that matter Belea. --Aryamehr

talk 22:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Embed

Contents

Article is missing sources

Sentences missing sources

Discovery

First discovery

Newspaper comments

Autoplay

V1 Highlight?

With V1 birth

Playground

Life in embed?

On December 15

Questioning the sources

More sources

Mess

Resolution?

DELETION

More Code

HARRO

Moving back

Victoly

Finalembed.png?

Sources again

Section 1

Section 2

Section 3

Section 4

Section 5

Section 7

List of threads I found from the first V1 embedding spree:

HELLO.

Neutrality

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