Talk:Pakistan

There's a lot of unnecessary information in here, as well as a lot of areas where the article lacks beef. I'm going to try sprucing it up a bit. Agent Chieftain 18:12, 18 June 2008 (BST)

An insight into Pakistan

I have put "An insight into Pakistan (made by Gigglyomicron with the help of Senor Schlong)" at the end of this page until we can find a better place for this. --Belea2008 21:23, 29 June 2008 (BST)

I don't see the point. Care to explain? --AgentChieftain (TALK|HIST) 23:28, 29 June 2008 (BST)

A description of Pakistan made by a Citizen of Pakistan. If you disagree with it, just remove it. (I think that, at some point, we should have a general discussion about which parts of the game user-generated content will be useful/interesting to have in the Wiki). --Belea2008 23:41, 29 June 2008 (BST)

It's not a terrible idea, but I'm not sure if this is the place for it. This article is more informal than jovial, and this kind of changes the tone.

What about a new page, like "List of Companies in Pakistan" or something? --AgentChieftain (TALK|HIST) 23:45, 29 June 2008 (BST)

Nice idea. Besides the obvious Dune references, we can use the list of companies to start that new page. Could you start it and we will update it along the way? 10x --Belea2008 00:00, 30 June 2008 (BST)

Yeah

Please help fix this up. Also, the last section you added in, try to make it fit somehow. It's just so out of place but it would go well if worded correctly.. --Siclo (TALK|HIST) 02:43, 3 July 2008 (BST)

Done! I have kept only the informations regarding Companies in Pakistan --Belea2008 21:36, 5 July 2008 (BST)

The neutrality of this article is disputed

Which parts are not neutral? --Belea2008 22:58, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Here they are: "by the benevolent God-Emperor" - bias.

"Pakistanis became self sufficient and also became one the first countries to have a complete hospital service" - source?

"inflation is low" - 14% is not low.

"Pakistan has repeatedly expressed desires to unite the world under its banner, bringing true peace to the fractured and warlike :peoples of foreign nations. " - this is biased and incorrect information and propaganda for /v/akistan.

"Unfortunately, many nations have gotten misconceptions about Pakistan and believe it to be a warmongering military :dictatorship." - also biased, you are writing a neutral article. you are not here to say what's right or wrong.

"Led by the God-Emperor himself, the 300 is the most capable, well-equipped, and well-organized military force in the eWorld" - :this is also biased. I disagree with this, we saw how "capable" and "well organized" they were during Germany war when they couldn't :do anything. --Aryamehr : talk 23:05, 5 July 2008 (BST)

With a few minor changes, that would be easily fixed, and there would be no need for the template.

1. Praise of Dio is pretty much a given in any Pakistani article. If it bugs you that much, removing the word 'benevolent' would fix the phrase.
2. It would be very hard to find a source on that, but I can provide further details from my personal knowledge. Since we completely controlled the economy, the hospitals were funded by the government through one company (The Doctor Is In), and all regions had hospitals by the middle of December. This is one of the things that is universally praised about Pakistan's leadership; even Spain and Sweden talk about this when they discuss the advantages of socialism in the game.
3. This varies greatly, so it would have to be updated constantly. Senor Schlong is currently inflating the PKR to accomodate the treasury. Previously, it was around 4%, which is considered close to optimal (IRL USA shoots for 3%).
4. This is an opinion of the people, and is stated as such. It's not being treated as fact. Pakistan, in fact, has expressed desires to unite the world.
5. This does show bias, but removing 'unfortunately' and 'misconceptions' would correct it into a factual statement expressing the beliefs of Pakistan's opponents.
6. Your statement is untrue; Germany had won the war. However, the statement can be reworded to be less opinionated, but I think the fact that the PPC's 300 are a lauded military force should be included in the article.

On an unrelated note, your signature's flag has the alt-text "Schwarz-Rot-Geld", which is the name of the Flag of Germany. You might want to replace that with the name of the Flag of Iran. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 00:16, 6 July 2008 (BST)

1. I agree that removing 'benevolent' would "fix" the phrase.
2. "Pakistanis became self sufficient" - From my informations, in December or January Pakistan had problems with importers. As I know, there was a media campaign against them. Putting this phrase in there, it would mean that not any single Pakistan Citizen bought imported goods. This is not possible to admit because Citizens move all the time to buy Q4 houses and weapons. /// "Also became one the first countries to have a complete hospital service." - How do you define "complete hospital services"? I think you can't define it in Erepublik right now. You can change the whole phrase in: "At that moment, Pakistan Citizens could buy all they need from local companies. Also, Pakistan was one of the first countries to have Hospitals in all their original territories. (I do not know if it was the first or not)"
3. Because it varies greatly, you can not use this kind of statement. You can use: "Pakistan presidents always tried to keep the inflation low. The lowest inflation was (percentage and approximate date) and the highest inflation was (percentage and estimate date)."
4. I would put quotes so the whole phrase would be like: Pakistan has repeatedly expressed desires to unite the world under its banner, bringing "true peace to the fractured and warlike peoples of foreign nations". (I think you can find one of Dio's articles with the statement i put under the quotes)
5. "Unfortunately, many nations have gotten misconceptions about Pakistan and believe it to be a warmongering military :dictatorship." - "Many nations believed that Pakistan is a warmongering military :dictatorship. (give quotes of articles/facts here) In fact this is not true. (again you can give quotes of articles/facts that show the previous statement is not true)"
6. "the 300 is the most capable, well-equipped, and well-organized military force in the eWorld" - Sources/facts? The most "capable, well-equipped, and well-organized military force in the eWorld" is Belea2008 and his friends - they can conquer anything. Leaving besides the smile, you can not add such a statement, because it can not be checked/proven. I suggest: "the 300 is arguable the most capable, well-equipped, and well-organized military force in The New World."

Just my 6 eurocents! :) --Belea2008 01:13, 6 July 2008 (BST)

1. Took care of it.
2. I'll mess around with it and see what I can do about the 'imports' part. About the hospitals, Pakistan was, in fact, the first country to have hospitals in all of it's regions, with a full plan and timetable for upgrades and expansion. I can't really give a source on this, but it's one of the things we accomplished within the first two weeks.
3. You're right. I'll change that in a second.
4. I already took care of it, but I don't think a source is required. It's one of the things we talk about a lot on the forums, and can be found almost anywhere that we're involved.
5. I'll have to work on that a little bit, and try to keep it uniform with the article.
6. Rather than using superlatives, I could just discuss the facts, as well as the fact that the 300 receives worldwide praise and recognition.

--AgentChieftain T / H / E 01:24, 6 July 2008 (BST)

About no. 6, you can put any links to articles in which "the 300 receives worldwide praise and recognition." The main idea is that any country can say that his military group is the best and so on. Until someone else (another country/group of Citizens) says in an article that your military group is one of the best (because it helped turn the fate of a war or things like that), people will view your auto-proclaimed description as biased.

I see what you mean. I'll add references. For my future use (While I find my sources), we've been recognized by the Germans, the French, the Italians, the Czechs, the Americans, and FIST. We're also considered a primary threat by the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Spaniards, and the Canadians, who also coincidentally mimic our model of organization. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 02:03, 6 July 2008 (BST)

You have been recognized by these people how? And those countries are not everyone. Have the Swedes or Norwegians or Spaniards or Canadians admitted that they are afraid of you or anything similar by seeing you as a threat? And mimicking what model of organization may I ask? Thanks for letting me know about my sign though. --Aryamehr talk 12:43, 6 July 2008 (BST)

The first group that I mentioned are countries that we have fought along side in battle, at their request. Whether they win/lose the war, they always credit us with the progress they had made during the fight, usually in their President's newspaper or a forum topic. If I can't find something from one of the countries, I'll ask their respective president (Or president at the time) to help me find it.

The second group I mentioned are enemies of Pakistan, obviously. Their president usually writes a "todo" list of some sort, going over goals of the country, and they almost always mention how we are one of the world's biggest threats due to our organized army, or something along those lines. Also, when they talk about their military, they usually cite us as the example which they base theirs off of, since we were the first to fully organize a functional military (Within the first week of the game).

I'm in the process of finding all of these news and forum sources to cite as references, which may take a little while, since some of them are in old/defunct newspapers. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 15:47, 6 July 2008 (BST)

Alright, I have resolved all of the disputes in the article. I want to improve on the Military section, but for now, it's neutral enough to pass. I'm going to go ahead and remove the template. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 05:09, 16 July 2008 (BST)

Move

Do you think we should actually move the article to Holy Empire of Pakistan, or do you think we should leave it here at Pakistan?

I'm beginning to consider the former, and a similar action for Sweden, Norway, and Romania. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 21:10, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Some questions - How do you define an "empire" in Erepublik? Why do you say Sweden, Romania and Norway are "empires"? (I mean none of them shown any sign they want to be something else than republics) --Belea2008 chew the fat 02:17, 20 July 2008 (BST)

I believe that they are empires because they have conquered other territories. And now that their rule expands across three nations, I think they qualify as an empire. The only problem with this is that their leaders (outside of Pakistan) do not qualify as 'emperors', since they are elected, and easily defied by congress.

Of course, I think it is up to the people of the country to decide if they are an empire or not. Pakistan believes that we have always been an empire, so there isn't much dispute. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 02:25, 20 July 2008 (BST)

I understood. I have nothing against making that move. But it will have to be moved back if India and China get their independence. :D --Belea2008 chew the fat 03:14, 20 July 2008 (BST)

I suggest Holy Nation of Pakistan--Sandtux TALK|HIST|ME 18:28, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Mayors

I notice you have no section for your Mayors to be listed (well, I mean I can't find one!). If you have a record of who they are/were for each region, I can create a table-list to put them in.

Paddyohale Feedback? 00:05, 30 August 2008 (BST)

That would be a terribly long list. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S}

See our list to get an idea of what I'm thinking of. It's a nice, simple way to show the mayors for each region.

Paddyohale Feedback? 00:10, 30 August 2008 (BST)

It's a Nice Read

Sorry, just admiring how admirable the page is. --TheSupernatural Who wants to be a Supernatural?The SaNdBoX 20:19, 25 September 2008 (PDT)

saaaa

Please give source for these.

"In December 2007, the population of Pakistan surged from less than twenty to hundreds, eventually to more than a thousand citizens" Source
"God Emperor" Source that he is a God Emperor.
"became one the first countries to have a complete hospital service" Source
"Pakistan prides itself in its countless amounts of high quality items for sale. Prices, although fixed, are moderate, inflation is low, and the economy will only expand as new recruits join in. " Source
"Paking Pakistan a very strong country. " Source
"The economy is controlled completely by the God-Emperor, Dio Brando. Prices, supply, and even wages are controlled by Dio. Wages are set fairly to allow for cheaply produced goods. A wage and price guide for particular quality companies is set up rigidly and Pakistani are expected to change jobs to higher-quality companies as their skill advances. Only companies approved by the God-Emperor and run by his most loyal advisors receive state funding, while the public refuses to purchase from non-licensed companies. " Source
"The Pakistani have mostly isolated their market, and do not trade with other countries. Few Pakistani companies ever sell their products in foreign lands. Foreign companies that try to sell to Pakistan are ignored by the public, both to provide only stimulus to the local economy and because Pakistani goods are much cheaper due to the standardized wages." Source
"The main export of Pakistan is the SandStation Triple Sand-Ray Player. Even with the hard work and low wages of the Pakistani that labor to produce it, it costs a whopping 599 PKR, but is the finest piece of engineering in all of Erepublik, and is known for its limitless potential. " Source+
"with over ninety percent of the vote, and his party" Source
"The Pakistani consider his word law, and all voting, be it in elections or the legislature, are only formalities. " Source "Every Pakistani, young or old, weak or strong, man or woman, is expected to join the Peace Corps of Pakistan. The Pakistani Peace Corps is among the most renowned and potent military forces in eRepublik, having a lengthy history of victories, and is known throughout the eWorld for being well-organized and well-trained." Source
thx--Aryamehr talk 07:10, 26 September 2008 (PDT)

Proposed Changes (by Aryamehr)

What I did:

• Removed the first quote, because:

"Therefore, fictional content is not allowed on the following pages: countries" - Fictional content policy

Country mottos don't fall under this category, as they are official. If you want to challenge its status as our motto, I can propose it to my congress. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

The way it is now is "fictional". I disagree with the complete removal, because those 3 words are used before I entered eRepublik. I propose changing it to:

	“ PRIDE, POWER, PAKISTAN! ”
	(Official Motto of Pakistan)

--Belea2008 03:01, 13 November 2008 (EET)

The motto was from "book of dio" which is a fictional book so it was fictional content. If it's an official motto, then say it's the official motto and don't use a fictional book/article as a source. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Dio Brando has ended roughly half of his articles with it, and if I'm not mistaken, it's in our Charter. As Belea said, it's been in use since before you were playing the game. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:35, 16 November 2008 (EET)

It does not matter. You sourced to a fictional book so it does not make sense. Your charter has no real source of when it was founded, how etc. It does not matter really, if you want to make it the Official Motto then change it to the Official Motto as source. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

Alright, so this one's resolved. Our charter was completed on December 5th, although Dio ratified an earlier version. Also, the quote is in the preamble. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:03, 22 November 2008 (EET)

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• Added ^[?] on things without Ref, like 12,000 units of food daily. After I checked the market for a day thousands food was not created nor did I ever see 12k food stock company.

I agree with this idea. Because of the changes in the Productivity Formula it is very likely that the state-owned organizations from Pakistan do not produce that much and the "famous" 12.000 foods stock from Beta was used in high quantity at the beginning of V1 (due to scarcity of Grain). --Belea2008 03:01, 13 November 2008 (EET)

This is correct then and I will change it --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

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Strength of Pakistan

• Removed the formidable country part, Norway has much higher strength than Pakistan.
• Added ^[?] on the "Pakistan having best army blahblah" No, you do not have the highest strength.

I'd like to see your source. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Average Strength - Pakistan - 3.27

Average Strength - Norway - 3.74

I disagree with words like "formidable", "greatest", "incredible", etc. without giving an additional explanation. (example: me saying that "South Africa is the greatest country!" without saying why - I consider it biased) --Belea2008 03:10, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Thank you Belea2008! AgentCheftun is trying to act funny and ask source for simple things when he already got. Pakistan is a weak country, there are more countries stronger than Pakistan. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Entirely wrong. During the rebellion, it peaked at 3.73 (Surpassing Norway), and it currently sits four hundredths behind Norway at 3.40. Pakistan is still one of the strongest countries in the game, and even at its lowest, we're in second place. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

Average Strength does not directly mean it's a strong country. /v/akistan had three regions taken from them, even with help from PEACE they could not hold those regions so apparently they are not strong enough. Your arguments fail and make no sense. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

Keep in mind that this is the source of the statement, and you're referring to current events. We've been the strongest country for a full year prior to the terrorist rebellions. Also, your statement is devolving into your opinions and not facts, so I recommend getting back on track.. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:03, 22 November 2008 (EET)

It is fact. You didn't manage to put down three rebellions (Two in China, One in India) even with help from PEACE! So this means that you got no power at all to even put down a small rebellion, let alone a war. This has nothing to do with my opinion, pure fact my friend. I know it hurts. --Aryamehr talk 01:50, 22 November 2008 (EET)

No, this is still your opinion, and you're attempting to insult me in the process in an effort to save face. You obviously haven't read about the Indian liberation (PROTIP: I arranged it with PEACE and an Indian politician), and you're basing this off of your opinion, where I have a source. Nice to see you using insults as filler to make your opinions look different than before. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 04:10, 22 November 2008 (EET)

To stop you from crying I will leave India alone. You, with help from PEACE, did not manage to keep Beijing and the other Chinese region. Even though you were much more, had "higher strength" etc. So you are not strong. You couldn't stand against 10-20 freedom fighters. What part don't you get? You couldn't stop two easy revolts, you are not strong in any way. --Aryamehr talk 22:49, 23 November 2008 (EET)

You're missing two points this time around. The first point is that the section is concerned with average strength, and not your opinion on how we decided to handle the "Chinese" resistance wars. The second point is that you're entirely wrong in the facts concerning the resistance wars, as there were approximately 75-100 soldiers from Iran and Turkey, many of who were spending thousands of gold (Two fighters in particular spent around 10,000 gold apiece, if not more). Returning to the previous point that our average strength is waning, we are in direct competition with Norway, with the rank switching about every two or three days, by my count. We can still consider ourselves among the strongest countries, as we have held the title for an entire year, and are just beginning to gain competition. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:47, 24 November 2008 (EET)

I concur with Chief here. As it stands, the wording is not biased, imo, and not out of the ordinary for normal country pages.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 05:15, 2 December 2008 (EET)

Source on the 75-100 soldiers? Surprising how TGM won't ask for the sources. And yes, you say you are strong but you can't stop a war. You said you are 800 "dioists" a bit lower below yet you couldn't stop, what you claim, was 100 soldiers? Even though you got a strong army? or Highest strength? Source on holding it for a year? You are not just beginning to gain competition, Pakistan is a weak country. On a side note, maybe TGM can write a nice explain on why he agree with Chieftain if he is going to say his opinion, if he is just going to say "I agree with X" without any reason, it will just cause trouble and nothing else. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

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• Added ^[?] on "very active society" .. since it's very, you are trying to say it's something special. "Active society" would be understandable. Proof for "very"?

I will remove the word very. It's a weasel word, so it doesn't belong here. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Sounds good. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Looking for anything to get him to change, eh?
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 05:15, 2 December 2008 (EET)

Good comment for someone who is supposed to be neutral. Thanks for helping me showing out that you can't nor are you neutral. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

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• Removed the sand triple blu ray player text & image, because:

"Therefore, fictional content is not allowed on the following pages: countries" - Fictional content policy

Agree. I suggest making a fictional subpage if you really want to be mentioned in this page. --Belea2008 03:12, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Yeah, on a different page I think you mean. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Concur with the above listed.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 05:15, 2 December 2008 (EET)

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Isolationism in Pakistan

• Removed "Few" in: Few Pakistani companies ever sell their products in foreign lands. http://www.erepublik.com/en/market/country-57-industry-1-quality-0 ; ~10 out of ~12 companies have export licenses there. And that just one sector.
• Removed: "The Pakistani have mostly isolated their market, and do not trade with other countries" That is false, as we all know. Because of the export licenses.

We have trade embargoes on three quarters of the world. This can be reworded. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

The government has trade embargoes but the citizens may not agree with it and they still have exports. Pakistani companies again, orginally want to sell their products but stopped by the government. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

That's not entirely true. We purchase export licenses to supply our battlegrounds and allies with supplies during war times. Also, seeing how we've advocated socialism since last November, and the CLF agrees with our current economic policies, I'd say you're thoroughly wrong on this notion. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

This is wrong because not all companies are owned by people like you. There are a lot of export licenses to "Embargoed Nations" so the citizens want to export but the government won't allow them. Again, what you wrote make no sense.

What amount do you consider to be "a lot"? There are only a handful that I can find, and many licenses to Turkey were bought when the Turkish/Iranian nationalist hacker had his way with the Beta before the upgrade to V1 (Even with my companies).

Not very nice to blame Turks and Iranians for being hackers, oh you intelligent american (lol@200yearoldhistory). Either way, as you said there are companies with export licenses to Turkey for example. So, yeah. You are wrong. Seriously man, stop trying to make it seem like /v/akistan is like what the nation of everyone hugging each other etc. It's not really. Really fun to piss you off by the way lol. --Aryamehr talk 01:50, 22 November 2008 (EET)

It's been confirmed that the hacker was an anti-Pakistan anti-PEACE Turkish or Iranian nationalist. They bought licenses with company gold to export to Turkey and attempted to sell full stocks of gifts for 0.02 TRY apiece, and they did other things like add insults to select accounts, and suspiciously deleted President Mojtabaw's proposal to undo the change you made to the Iranian flag.

Why are you disputing minor details irrelevant to the changes? You didn't even try supporting your argument this time around, instead choosing my residence as a target, Have you run out of a basis for your inane bantering, now that most of your most drastic proposals have been toned down and made logical? Also, where exactly have I been pissed off? - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 04:10, 22 November 2008 (EET)

It has not been confirmed at all. First put sources for all these claims. Secondly just because someone buys a export license to Turkey does not mean it must be turks or vica versa. Mojtabaws proposal for the flag was not deleted. The statement of yours is false, there are people in /v/erstan who wants to export. Only the government is blocking them. Anyway, stop trying to go away from the real subject. These companies, owned by Iranians or Turks or Norwegians or whatever are still called "Pakistani companies" --Aryamehr talk 22:49, 23 November 2008 (EET)

I've managed to stay on the subject the entire time, it was you who have been trying to avoid my solid rebuttals.

The Turkish licenses are in fact the result of the hacking incident before the upgrade to V1, as we had no prior trade with Turkey, apart from one of Nevugila's gift companies which never received any sales (Our market should still contain untouched offers from "FF Gift Co). Also, Mojtabaw himself told me that the proposal was deleted as it was nearing completion in favor of the change; he was rather upset about not being able to uphold a request made by his people.

Regarding the companies operated by the UN, they are not endorsed by our government, and they are trying to compete with the PSP. Rather than the removal of these sentences, it would be more correct to add a note that they are attempting to operate in spite of our socialist and isolationist policies. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:04, 24 November 2008 (EET)

Source for the turkish license comments you give? Source on Mojtabaw? Even though I don't understand what exactly you wan't know. As I said, I did a quick check on the market and many people have export licenses thus meaning they are willing to export and no, only PSP was "hacked" and none of these companies were PSP. Apparently you are just trying to waste time here so I will give you the company links to keep you quiet:

1. China
2. France, Portugal, Russia & Germany
3. India, Indonesia & Argentina
4. China and Russia
5. Russia & Turkey
6. Ukraine

Now that's a fair amount of companies considering the current mark who exports. At least over 50% --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

Isolationism of Pakistan existed as a ideology (please note the past tense I use). True, it is possible that did not worked 100% - but the general idea in the whole Beta stage was that very few companies bought export licenses to Pakistan and those that bought, rarely sold in Pakistan. This is why I reworded the whole article to the past - because the majority of the sentences in it are stating how things were in Beta. A lot of things changed in V1:

1. Stardust Crusaders dropped from 500-700 people to 100-200
2. Iran - Pakistan War
3. RW in China and India (started by Iranian citizens)
4. The major opposition party was formed by Iranians
5. Indonesians started to move to Pakistan (see the list of top newspapers)

My main conclusion is that Pakistan transformed (it was unavoidable I think) from a predominant "Dioist" society in a country with internal turmoils (like I said - because of the migration of citizens and the losing of members - due to death - from Stardust Crusaders). --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:47, 11 January 2009 (EET)

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• Added ^[?]: because Pakistani goods are much cheaper due to the standardized wages.

Perhaps show some calculations that this is really true?

We can chart them in a separate article, if you want to be anal retentive on this detail. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

I have 2 "curiosities":

- make the chart when you have time...

- who are your "economists"?!? I know that Dio uses his God Emperor powers to ensure that the economy of Pakistan is "one of the best", but in order to do that it has some "economic advisors" (I mean who are the citizens that spend time and energy analyzing markets and formulas to propose "economic strategies"?)

--Belea2008 03:25, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Yeah. Belea has a point. Maybe Cheftun can answer to that as well? What does anal retentive mean by the way? Is it something offensive? If so, get your act straight boy, this is not 4chan.org where you can act like a kid in kindergarten. Since that is claimed it would be nice to see some calculations or graphs or anything you really have. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

1. I'll look into it. I've yet to actually try the table wikicode yet. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)
2. Currently, our lead economist is JKD003. He is in charge of the Pakistani Space Program, where he has three (IIRC) assistants and ten managers. He restructured the companies a week or two ago, so I'll check with him for a complete list. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

We will be waiting for a short time. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

To be honest, I think without proof of said information, it should be removed.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 02:01, 5 December 2008 (EET)

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• Changed: "monopolizes congress and local mayors' offices" as Monopoly means: "Exclusive ownership or control of a trade in particular goods or services", "A situation where one firm has complete control over prices and supply in a market" etc.. Meaning that only /v/ers have access which incorrect. I changed it with majority.

This is clearly misusing the word monopolizes, so I agree with the change (Although I don't condone your shrewd language). - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

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• Removed: Education part because

"Therefore, fictional content is not allowed on the following pages: countries" - Fictional content policy

Falcon University is a real agency. The article about it is fictional, but the real this is roughly the equivalent of a "Ministry of Education". - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 02:07, 13 November 2008 (EET)

It has nothing to do with "Ministry of Education" when it is clearly talking about a "school" and how people are "trained" there etc. If you want to have "Minstry of Education" then name it that and write facts in it. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

It's for the orientation of new Pakistani players and immigrating citizens. I can include the facts in the article, but I'll do so in a manner that isn't as uninteresting as the reality of the organization, seeing how the current article is detailed and entertaining. Excuse me for being tasteful and turning lead into gold. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

Can't excuse you. The rules clearly says that no fictional articles so no fictional articles. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

I think there are exceptions to every rule and this is one of them. Falcon U is a real college within the game. If AC can provide the slightest bit of proof that someone was educated, in any way, about Erepublik there, then it fits the criteria of being a Ministry of Education, imo.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 02:01, 5 December 2008 (EET)

If there is exception anywhere it should be written clearly so everyone can take advantage of it. Not just a group of people, neutral TGM. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

That is the fault of the people granting the exceptions, not the user. And no, I'm not granting any exceptions. I'm stating, in my opinion, that this does not grievously break the rules of the Wiki. And if you would notice I also asked for proof of Falcon U being an institution of higher learning. If this can be proven, it therefore qualifies as a Ministry of Education, which are not fictional and allowed. If it serves as a MoE and is simply expanded on, then it's not fictional because, heh, it exists. It's just not as boring as other MoE's.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 22:56, 5 December 2008 (EET)

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Unity of Pakistan

• Added: Pakistan however consists of many nationalists such as Iranians and Chinese who hold seats in the congress and have attempted to grab the power.

My point with this is, stop acting as if /v/akistan is a place where everyone only cares what /v/ers say, a lot of people in there disagree.

@Aryamehr - I propose rewording it to: "Pakistan also includes citizens that are Iranians and Chinese (in real life) who..." + some sources would be nice about ".... hold seats in the congress and have attempted to grab the power."

Makes sense. Something similiar should be posted, because these people are trying to make it seem like they are all "united" and "perfect" when a lot of people disagree with them. --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

Keep in mind that the CLF and "UN" (Note: It's internationally illegal to call anything the United Nations) are very recent uprisings. For a whole ten months prior to their existence, we've been the most united country in the game. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:22, 16 November 2008 (EET)

There are no rules or anything that it's illegal too call anything the United Nations. No, you have not been the most united country in the game. There are other countries who have been united too. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 21 November 2008 (EET)

Wrong, it's illegal. I don't have the PM in my inbox anymore, but Sandtux reported numerous times to the Admins that it's illegal, and the UN HAS taken actions before to have the alliances renamed or removed from games (In both Cybernations and NationStates, for example). I just emailed Sandtux asking if he still has the link. Also, I'd like to see your source on a country being more united than ours, especially over the same period of time as us. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 00:03, 22 November 2008 (EET)

Admins giving private rules to people in inbox does not count as general rule, that's a fact so you better learn it. First bring me a source that your country is united and how it is united. No, we can't just "see". I want source. Iran is pretty united, we have always been and will be. Now how you want source for that I don't know, but you can ask anyone in you want in Iran, haha. --Aryamehr talk 01:50, 22 November 2008 (EET)

So you're really going to challenge this point?

• Dio Brando has served more terms as president than anyone else in the game (When he runs for office, other candidates usually resign the race)

Dio has not served more terms than any other, wrong.

Wrong. Dio has served seven terms as the president of Pakistan, where the closest competitor, Flammbar, has only served five. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:15, 24 November 2008 (EET)

I though you meant in row, in row Flammbar. If you are going to count that way I am sure a lot of people have had many terms.

What are you trying to say though? --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

• The Stardust Crusaders have held an unchallenged majority for a year, the first time our near-entirely Stardust Crusaders congress had other parties gain seats is when the Iranian terrorists tried to enter the political arena with their illegal party

Just because you have a dictator does not mean you are united. Again, many other parties existed in the country. Iranians are not terrorists, amerikkkan.

Dio Brando isn't a dictator if he is elected unanimously. Until recently, the other parties have always supported the Stardust Crusaders. In addition, the UN are considered a terrorist party, as they have openly admitted that they are looking to destroy the country. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:15, 24 November 2008 (EET)

Source that the other parties always supported SC? UN is not considered a terrorist party and source on the admitting? It's a party against the dictatorship. And it's dictatorship when he is in a way "bribing" people who vote for him and campaign for him with companies and money. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

• Even the candidates that run in Dio's place, such as myself, receive all of the votes in the party (Even with the CLF and UN president, I ran unopposed last election, with the support of three parties)

UN did not support you or any /v/er.

This is one party, during the most recent election, compared to eleven other elections. Even so, they didn't even put up a candidate. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S}

Source that they didn't put up candidate? What happened to the China party, huh? --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

• Dio Brando's words are taken as fact; nobody in Pakistan has ever disagreed with our leadership

Dio Brandos words are not taken as a fact according to me.

You are not a Pakistani, and you have no authority in our country. Dio's word is de jure in Pakistan. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:15, 24 November 2008 (EET)

It's still not taken as a fact by everyone. Source? I want source that EVERYONE in /v/akistan listens to what Dio says. And that includes EVERYONE, even the Iranians & Turks. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

• All non-terrorist Pakistani consider themselves Dioists

Hahaha.. 10 Dioists. Doesn't care.

Try 800. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:15, 24 November 2008 (EET)

• Many Pakistani that have continued to play the game do so to our strong ties and built friendships, and not to actually play the game

800? Source? Source that there are 800 non /v/ immigrated "Dioists" --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

Na, Iran was always been united. So, you got no sources. Again, being a dictatorship oppressing other citizens does not mean you are united. There has been many attempts at taking the power in /v/akistan so it's not 'we are united' --Aryamehr talk 22:49, 23 November 2008 (EET)

United enough to have roughly one hundred competing political parties, and having presidents accused of scandals and condemned by the citizens of their country. You yourself are an example of the discord present in Iran, as you've made accusations to all of your successors. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:15, 24 November 2008 (EET)

One hundred? Source on that please. Dio and many others has been accused by scandals to by CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY. Source that I have made accusation to all of my successors?

On a side note, TGM should once again learn to look up the source of what someone claims and don't blindly accept something. This is another evidence that without waiting for someone to respond he is already starting to learn to someone. --Aryamehr talk 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EET)

I haven't the need to list more, as you've derailed this argument past the threshold of logic and into the realm of comebacks. I believe last election was the first one in Iran where the candidate ran unopposed, and I remember being told this was done only to give the image of unity comparable to ours (By miladmzz, I believe). - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 04:10, 22 November 2008 (EET)

Chief meets his burden of proof here.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 02:01, 5 December 2008 (EET)

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Let's not start an edit war because you lost an argument elsewhere. I'm going to review this entire list, but you only make these inane requests when you lose arguments. I'm reverting the edit for now, and then I'll go over the whole thing. You do the same for all changes made to Iran's page, as well as any and all of the pages you create, so I'd appreciate it if you grant me the same courtesy that I give to you. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:18, 13 November 2008 (EET)

I am not starting an edit war and I lost nothing no where. I have wanted to do this for a long time. Review it, nothing wrong with it. Why are you so pissed? lol. I don't need to do these changes for the Iran page really as it contains no fictional content. What I did for example was going by your word and saw that it was not true, so I added ref template to it. You said for example that you guys have the highest avg str, you don't so it's not correct. Instead of removing it I added the ref thing to it so you get a chance to back it up.

If you are planing to "revenge" by going to Iran page or any other page I created, you are not really the first one and if I were I wouldn't waste time on it but if you insist then go for it lol. --Aryamehr talk 01:22, 13 November 2008 (EET)

TIP: Try not to spend your time attempting to scare me [1] and actually review this page because the longer it takes the more right I get to get it my way as you are ignoring it. --Aryamehr talk 01:29, 13 November 2008 (EET)

I was taking preliminary action. We're both aware that you tend to mess with five or so Pakistan-related pages whenever you lose a debate on the Wiki, and this edit seemed like a precursor to an edit war. Believe it or not, people normally don't throw fits when others disagree with them. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 01:34, 13 November 2008 (EET)

WIKIPEDIA:Cry --Aryamehr talk 16:51, 13 November 2008 (EET)

We are waiting chueft0n --Aryamehr talk 15:55, 15 November 2008 (EET)

Excuse my three day hiatus, I've had to take care of some things (Read: My grandmother and a wild opossum). I'd appreciate it if you showed me at least slight respect by spelling my name correctly, I'm sure you'd rather have readers see you in equal light to me, rather than a kid barking at a respected and civil editor.

What were you banned for, by the way? I missed it. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:02, 16 November 2008 (EET)

This

After Pakistan conquering India with both sides agreeing to it and after China being politically taken over by Pakistanis and then declaring war to Pakistan, both India and China were annexed. Late November various freedom fighters from all over the world such as Iran started to fight and free China which resulted in Beijing becoming free, Pakistan tried with help from PEACE to put down the rebellions. Later two new regions was freed, one in India and one in China.

Something like that needs to be in this article. Any tips on improvements? --Aryamehr talk 01:45, 22 November 2008 (EET)

I'll correct it in a moment, since this has a few factual errors, especially regarding India and Pakistan's involvement. My sources aren't going to be easy to confirm, as I like to keep my talks private. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 23:32, 23 November 2008 (EET)

lulz

don't bother once we have taken over /v/akistan (soon) this page is blank and so is everything related to /v/akistan. --Aryamehr talk 00:06, 11 December 2008 (EET)

What? You're planning to.. mass delete stuff? Or add on?
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 22:51, 15 December 2008 (EET)

Direct insult

https://wiki.erepublik.com/index.phptitle=Pakistan&diff=149034&oldid=148010

Why did you edit Line 106/Line 105? Iranians are not rebels. --Aryamehr talk 12:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Links at the bottom

IRC links belong on the IRC page and I don't think link to website have a place of country pages. Especially as its focus is to do with a specific party rather than Pakistan as a whole so I'd recommend the link being placed on that party's wiki page. --~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 22:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh Bejebus

Dio's newspaper was removed from the list despite it still being one of the biggest newspapers on Pakistan plus a good historic account. EDIT: Hammas Amer you need to discuss things like that since that's a VERY BIG change. ALSO USE THE PREVIEW BUTTON!

And for fairness reason I believe newspapers should be ordered in ascending order of subscription numbers. (on that note can someone tell me mine)

Also Top 4 Newspapers - 6 listed. What? (it should only be 5)--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 09:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Fictional

"Therefore, fictional content is not allowed on the following pages:

   countries; " - Fictional content policy

Therefore the part "Eduction" which talks about University is fictional. This is verified by the fact that the main article has fictional template on it.

I will keep this here, if nobody has anything to say, I will remove that part. --Aryamehr talk 07:12, 23 May 2011 (PDT)