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Problems with Rising

As you know, there were a lot of problems with Rising and no real solution is in front of us. A lot of editors try to build up a great database of articles that were useful for citizens, but unfortunately, now most of them are obsolete. I have done a complete review of articles mentioned above, some images used ingame, and all templates and I have some statistical information for you:

• 926 articles in Category:Outdated
• 108 articles in Category:Translations
• 293 articles in Category:Removed features

• Several articles (the list is still being made) and two templates ([1] and [2]) will be moved to Rising namespace, but before I do that I will have to talk with Belea.

Also, please review Category:Articles for Deletion because I added some templates that are not used, and the biggest blow is probably Work Skills. Why is this important?. I would like just to point out that we have a lot of work to be done, we need new editors and translators and this is the incomplete list because I didn't check out the whole 956 articles in Category:ERepublik Rising and 305 articles in Category:ERepublik Legacy Articles which were drastically reduced in few days as I have started to update some pages and removed this categories from translated articles. If you have some ideas how to decrease the number of problems with obsolete articles, please share it with me. This is for now, thank you for your time. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 15:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

In fairness, alot of the outdated pages are un-updatable by just anyone: e.g 2a Divisione Aviotrasportata. Unless someone can grab the italian Minister of Defence (and hope he knows about it), it'll probs stay outdated for a long time. - John F Baker ^talk/_{British Army librarian} 16:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, some articles were listed for deletion because they used templates listed for deletion, with no <noinclude></noinclude> around the deletion template :) I corrected the skill one, just a heads up for the future. - John F Baker ^talk/_{British Army librarian} 16:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

This sounds like a job for a spammer. Im in :D -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

More than 30 days after, this are statistical information:

• 774 articles in Category:Outdated ▼ 152
• 108 articles in Category:Translations ▲ 6
• 78 articles in Category:Removed features ▼ 215
• 684 articles in Category:ERepublik Rising ▼ 272
• 302 articles in Category:ERepublik Legacy Articles ▼ 3
• 306 articles in Category:Stub
• 97 articles in Category:Formatting

I am trying to do a several hour shift/day and you can see the small improvement here. But please, feel free to update articles. Thank you. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

So we should remove those categories (Rising, Legacy)? If I had known that, I would've removed it from pages I have updated. -- sampo555 | Talk 21:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what to do with these categories, so for now I am leaving them on English pages, but I am reviewing non-English pages and update them with urgent template, or I do the small corrections if needed and I then remove all English categories from non-English pages. I still don't know what to do with categories Legacy and Rising as some articles are obsolete. :/ --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

(Almost) Every page in rising namespace has been archived properly (links fixed etc.). So there is one task less to do! -- sampo555 | Talk 10:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Files to be created/updated due to Rising

I have just started to create this list, it will be muuuuch bigger day by day. If you can update the images and cross them out on this list. Thank you. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 11:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• File:Daily_Food_Consumption.png - no more happiness
• File:Manage_employees.png - no more salary/hour; productivity added
• File:Upgrade_company.png - no more components
• File:Daily tasks.jpg - review needed
• Maybe a picture which appears on the main page of eRepublik where Carla recruits new citizens could be added
• File:MarkeplaceV2-2.png - no happiness any more
• File:MarkeplaceV2-3.png - no happiness any more
• File:Train1.jpg - update needed (archived)
• File:Train.jpg - update needed (archived)
• File:Company header.png
• File:Create company ind.png

Azaret has gone wild

This project is in fact Azaret's proposal to increase the quality of the wiki. The idea is to create better articles and templates that will make the editors job and visitors searching easier. In theory. :) --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Let's start :P

By the Game interface tree :

• I propose to merge the page Main menu into Homepage page, the last will become the start page of this tree. ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 09:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• Template:Main_Menu is outdated ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 09:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• I propose to merge also the My places market Info and Community also in the Homepage. They are pages just like the examples given. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 18:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Why not, but so, what put on the Game Interface menu so ? ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 21:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Progress

• ✓ Homepage ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 11:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
  • ✓ My places (sorry for spam D:) ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 13:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
  • ✓ Market ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 14:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• ✓ Main Menu (Copied the V1 one :p) -- sampo555 | Talk 11:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Btw, how did you do this cool File:Homepage sidebar.png? :P -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 15:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

What happened?

Is this project dead in the water? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Flat line. No signs of living. -- sampo555 | Talk 10:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Standards are good

Due to the resolution made in October, all flags and coat of arms will be standardized in the next way:

1. All flags have to be named: FLAG-NAME OF THE COUNTRY/REGION/OTHER ENTITY, with category Category:Country Flags ONLY for country flags and Category:Flags for region, alliance and other entity flags.
2. All coat of arms have to be named: COAT-NAME OF THE COUNTRY/REGION/OTHER ENTITY with category Category:Country Coat of Arms ONLY for country coats and Category:Coat of Arms for regions, alliances and other entity coats.

Ok, this sounds easy, but what is expect from you? You have to review the coats and flags and add the correct category, and I will later move the wrongly named files to the correct place, and then your task will be to update the pages connected to that files. Also, if you find some duplicates please add deletion template to them. Sounds fun, isn't it? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

For some of those tasks we can use Special:MassEditRegex, or use one of our "bots" (*looks at Timeoin*) ^^ -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 12:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The naming procedure is done, the only problem is to change the links to the images. The bot (MassEdit) is the easiest way to change them, but I would really like to check every country and region article because duplicate coat of arms and flags are not rare, and unfortunately manual update is the only thing that can detect them. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 17:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

File:Coat-Latvia.png.svg, lol -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 15:47, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I never said that I am perfect. I will repair that one day. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

How will you repair the fact that you arent perfect? Also - Andy, was this MassEdit thingy what you wanted to see me about? :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 14:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Naming policy for party images has been added also.^{Official Wiki:Bar/December2010#Mess_in_logos} --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

eRepublik Dictionary?

ERepublik dictionary - Ian E Coleman

Nice idea, there are a craptonne of abbreviations in erep. I'll add some later :P - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 07:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I suggest to combine eRepublik jargon into it somehow. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 14:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

May I remind you all that wiki redirects are not allowed in general. Unless that policy has been revoked, I don't see those abbreviations be fixed anytime soon. (I think the same applies to disambig pages) - Jameson L. Tai ^talk/_{Minister of Defense and Director of National Intelligence} 03:44, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Creation of redirects is allowed, but in very small number... Creation of abbreviation redirect is NOT allowed. But, to create a list of abbreviations on one place + combining it with other eRepublik words would make a great article... --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Added this stuff to ERepublik jargon. Feel free to delete this page that this man put his hard work into --Emerick 06:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Changes changes everytime

I believe all of you have heard about it, if not: [3] How should we do it? I mean, I think all pages about raw/companies/regions must be updated :S Khebit 20:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I believe that we should give the work to Admins. How they can think that we can write articles if they don't tell us everything about these new features? They didn't manage to tell us that the productivity of RM companies dropped down to 50% of previous level. We only know that raw materials give 25% bonus to the companies. We don't know what happens if countries conquer regions? Now companies are situated in countries, not in regions. Will they end up like parties (once country conquered, all companies stays in the new country)? What RM:s are needed to produce food or weapons? Can we use any of them or must it be some specific RM?

They just give us a bit of information and the rest of it we must find out for ourselves. The so called community officers (like Belea) don't really know anything. They only know what the engineers and designers have told them. Like you can see in the forum topic, every answer of Admin can be found from the first post. So I have concluded that that's all admins know about these new features. When Rising came, and we asked questions from Belea, most of the time he said that I'll get back to you in few hours after I have reached some key people. So that's the deal. Really no-one knows more than the forum post says. -- sampo555 | Talk 06:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Good post Sampo555. I am not going to touch anything in this wiki that I do not care about. Admins can do the work :) --Aryamehr talk 13:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually the RM productivity change was entirely logical - raw materials required 1 productivity per unit if on a high region and 2 otherwise, and now as companies reside in a country instead of a region, they logically cannot be on high regions and thus require 2 prod/u. (I'm carefully not saying anything about how wise it was.) -- Squirrel ^T_C 08:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

New Wikiuser Message

Belea: In future, can we have a nice big sign to new wikiusers in their welcome message, telling them to make their citizen page in the Mainspace? I've had to correct so many making them in their User: page. Thanks :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh, it seems that I can edit it, but, how do you think, Belea will be happy with me playing with welcome message? -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 16:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

[21:18] <Belea_> Any SysOp can edit taht new citizen message...

[21:18] <Belea_> In the Wiki...

Said in #wiki on IRC today. Go for it I guess :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

It would be useful to write a suggestion here first. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Isnt that what this ^^ was? :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Image file naming policy?

	“ Pages should begin with a capital letter, all subsequent words should be lowercase (example Trade embargo not Trade Embargo)  ”
	(eRepublik Official Wiki:Naming_policy)

Does this include names for image files? For example, should it be Supreme_Marshal.png or Supreme_marshal.png? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 20:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to add some rules for this to the naming policy so that we make some order there to. Honestly, I don't care which will we choose (all first letter capitalized, or only the first word capitalized), but I want the rule so that we don't have to correct the links every time. Try to combine it with section below so that we don't have to do a lot of changes. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Rank icons!

We need to sort this out tbh... we have two sets of rank icons uploaded. One is in the style of File:Supreme_marshal_3.png, used in the Military rank chart, and another, File:Icon_rank_Supreme_Marshal***.png, used in the citizen template but not fully uploaded :/

Which one are we going to use guys? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

This was supposed to happen as everyone want to update the icons... I would say: Choose what will suit you the best for rank template changes. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, Icon_rank_Supreme_Marshal***.png is by far the easiest for the template. The other example makes the template sorta unworkable in current form. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 23:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Icon_rank_Supreme_Marshal***.png is easy to do, however the second set can be used through {{#switch:}} (harder).-- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 14:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh damn, why did I not think of that xD. I was blindly trying to find a string-splitter parser :P - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 15:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Summary of latest eRep changes

For a full transcript, see User:Jan_Baykara/WIKI-02_December_2010. I will summarize this as we go along. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Where are the economics tweaks? :D --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Economic changes added by --/Santirub 23:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you santirub! :) --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Military Changes

• DONE (M1): Added the blue rank bar to the battle page
• TO DO (M2): New "attack rules" + Removal of Occupying country getting fraction of Defender Treasury if they get a region (not implemented yet) (the stuff admin discussed with the CPs recently) - ETA: next week
• TO DO (M3): (Concept phase) Tweaks to the military laws (maybe a new law) for better definition of what country is your most important "enemy". Vague ideas as of yet.
• TO DO (M4): Allow CPs to put up Resistance Wars as "Battle of the Day"
• TO DO (M5): Changes to experience point gaining, related to military ranking up.
• TO DO (M6): (Idea phase) More battle statistics, ingame per battle. No mention of API changes.

Economic Changes

E1. (Concept phase) Move missions in sidebar - Additional info: this would mean additional minor changes to some missions: like for example, there will not be anymore timed missions or they will show more information: as in, "you have defeated 3/40 enemies so far" or something like that.

E2. Removed possibility to buy Extra Storage: Only could get this

• awarded to top contributors in the Wiki;
• awarded to certain very active Game Moderators;

In the next period, it will be considered a bonus/award for certain types of citizens (very active, customers, etc.)

E3. Minor changes:

• balanced productivity formula (overall increase)
• removed the possibility to create certain types of companies: Oil, Titanium, Stone, Ticketing Industry and Houses

E4. Resources: This: http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/105378-New-types-of-Raw-Materials-discovered

• regions - all resources at a medium level
• regions - rich in only one particular resource
• API feed for the resources updated
• world map updated
• tweaks to the productivity formula (again) to introduce that 25% bonus...

E5. Company Industry Migration for Oil, Grain and Iron (Solve company problems resulted from E4). Basically - as you saw in the forum - Oil, Grain and Iron companies are the most affected ones, and this step focuses on these types of companies. Therefore, we are glad to announce you that a migration panel has just been implemented for Oil, Grain and Iron companies in the "My Places" - "Company" page, allowing one-time only industry migration between the three types mentioned above.

E6. Citizens will be allowed to buy companies no matter if they already own a company of that industry type

E7. Companies will be created in the citizenship country of the citizen. Companies will be allowed to relocate to the citizenship country of the citizen.

E8. Companies will be allowed to be transferred from an Organization to the creator of the Organization.

E9. Old industries - conversions to new industries...

Belea mentioned that there are a few more points he would like to raise at another time. Just to say, in future communication like this between the eRepublik team and citizens would be MUCH appreciated and positively received - this should happen more often, and it'd be great if you (Belea) could pass such a message on to the rest of the team! - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 15:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

She? ;) :mrgreen: --Aryamehr talk 23:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Lol whoops :P - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 15:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Raw Materials page

Hi everyone! I'm new here.. I hope i'm writing in the right section... (excuse me for my poor english..)

I red this page Raw materials but i don't agree. Iron, Saltpeter, Alluminium, Oil and Rubber are all usefull for make weapons while moving ticket will disappear (as said by admin in forum). If I wrong, please give me source. SimoneCnt 22:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you have the source that said they are getting rid of tickets? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 09:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

"Moving tickets, Housing, Stone and Titanium Companies - will be the first companies (and for a period of time the only companies) that will have access to the future new industries." http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/105378-New-types-of-Raw-Materials-discovered - SimoneCnt 13:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

No one know if oil and rubber will be used for ticket?? I think that on the wiki contents are objective whith source, but i can't see source about this. Knowledge of what oil are useful for in essential in eItaly economy... If you know for sure that oil will be usefull for MT, ok give me the source; otherwise edit the raw materials page. - SimoneCnt 12:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The Avataronian plague, and a bit of a rant on how far the wiki has fallen

OK, I am still here. I still keep a good eye on my watchlist and the bar to see what is going on, but I am not here for idle chit-chat. It is a sad indication of how far this wiki has fallen when things like this happen: Avataronia.

So, I saw this page appear, in the mainspace, just under a month ago. Oh well, I thought, this will soon be deleted. It clearly has nothing to do with eRepublik, at least it should be in the user namespace, but I would vote for deletion. It was all pretty much by one user, although there are others involved. Things like this happen a lot in any wiki, it will be deleted within a day.

But then, browsing through the recent file uploads over the last few weeks (which is where I spend most of my time, it is very interesting), I see more and more useless stuff for 'Avataronia'. Check today for example, here. At the time I am writing the top 8 files are all from Avataronia, there are another 13 down the page (EDIT, this guy is uploading more as I type, although to be fair they are legitimately for Israel).

Looking at Emorfion's upload logs, I estimate he has uploaded almost 100 useless images to this wiki. There are tonnes of images on Avataronian Armed Forces or Military Decorations and Medals of the Avataronian Armed Forces for example.

Look in :Category:Avataronia. There are about 15~20 pages of, I admit, detailed and well written information about this stupid, made up country (Did I mention that it is based on Avatar (the movie), the people are apparently a mix of the humans and Navi from Pando... forget it, it is too stupid).

So, this has spread across the wiki. You wonder why I am here now? Because a) it was some relatively harmless fun and b) because I still clung to the belief that some mod could delete the whole thing, I let it slide. But then this edit came up in my watchlist.

That is enough, keeping your own pages is one thing, they could be moved to the userspace (although I am all for deletion), but it is spreading into actual eRepublik pages! This guy has gotten away with it for so long, that Avataronia has begun to spread like a plague. I have also now noticed he has added it to all the President's pages, subtly, I admit.

The worse bit? Talk:Avataronia. People know about this. Aryamehr, Grzechooo, John F Baker are pretty established users (much more so than I), they know about it but nothing has happened. User talk:Emorfion is blank. No warnings, nothing. He seems like a good guy, he has done a lot of work on the Israeli and Hebrew pages. But Avataronia has no place on this wiki. It seems no one has been patrolling the recent edits page, no one (other than me) has been watching the uploaded files, this has gone on long enough!

I have invested a lot of time in this wiki myself, and I know there are many more people who have done even more, but it is falling apart. I admit most of it is due to the Admin's repeated changes, so letting the Avataronian plague lose across the wiki is really a sign of the times. Who will respect this wiki if things like this go unpunished?

I didn't want to say this, but this would never have happened in QJ's time.--Martin23230 09:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 I totally agree, and I've sorta felt the same. I personally dont feel like I should enforce any rules on him, because there are seniors to me here that didn't seem too bothered... - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 09:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 just on the comment above, this is the first time i've seen the page, im not saying other have too but just letting you guys know that "seniors" can not track everything that happens on the wiki.---- Tim Veltkamp| Nubcakes? 10:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It once was in user namespace as far as I remember. And, yeah, I'm watching recent changes but I simply don't know what to do with this. So, any ideas? -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 11:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Jan will move all articles connected to Avataronia to his user space; I will try to repair the damage that he has made on official eRepublik articles, but as a part of eRepublik policies, he will have the chance to argue this issue. One more time, sorry Martin for not reacting sooner, but this damn Rising is killing me! :/ --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 12:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I am glad you wrote about this. Well, actually, not that glad because I do not really care what happens to the game or the wiki nowadays.

I can't do anything nor did do anything because I am not a sysop or anything similiar. I wrote in the talk page in hope of someone with power would notice and take action. I didn't write to the owner as well because right now I am not in the mood of fighting when I don't really care and when I see the owners don't care themselves either. Well written though Martin, and I am glad you are still here.

This just proves that the wiki is failing more and more. Check out Slap Day. The quality of this wiki is going down day by day, for every quality that goes down for the game, twice goes down for the wiki (lol). --Aryamehr talk 23:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I want to shoot the man for his bad spelling of parliament! :) -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 14:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I admit, the wiki pages are stupid but his writing is excellent, try and get him to get onto real wiki pages, he could be an a great thing to the wiki. Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 22:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Belea...i'm sorry - New military formula (with new influence formula)

The formula for Influence:

New:

I = ((R-1)/20 + 0.3) * ((S / 10) + 40) * Q

Old:

I = (R/50 + 0.4) * ((S / 5) + 30) * Q

Where:

I: Influence on the hit
R: The value of rank. You can check the value of the rank here
S: Strength
Q: Multiplier-quality weapons. Q = 1 + Quality of weapons / 5 If the soldier does not have a weapon then Q = 1. If a soldier uses a weapon Q5 then Q = 2
(In case of non-standard weapons, Q = 1 + FirePower/100)

The formula for damage:

D = (60 + ((S1-S2) / 10))*Q

Where: D - number of the enemy's health received
S1 - your strength
S2 - the enemy's strenght
Q -1+ (Fire power your weapon - Fire power enemy's weapon)/400)
--Marnes 09:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok... - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 12:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you add it to wiki? --Marnes 15:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

How do we know it is correct? How do we know that they wont just change it again within the next few days :P - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Added 2 brackets, formula is OK -- elbanderas82|hoLLa 17:00, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

New "attack rules"

http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/105609-New-attack-rules-starting-Day-1113 - thoughts/questions/suggestions? --Belea2008 13:36, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The newest batch of idiocy to destroy strategy on erep forever... automatic and free battles... :-(--Quicksilver 14:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I like most of this tbh. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 18:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

well, I was apparently perm banned for voicing my opinion... --Quicksilver 18:36, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism of Quite a Few Articles

User:Padraig Pearse has vandalized a large selection of articles, including Phoenix, the UK, USA and Ireland articles. See them all here: http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Padraig_Pearse. See it all here

I suggest a ban; his actions have been terrible. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Just an info about this - Jan, belea and emorfion have reverted the today contributions of Padraig. Belea issued a 7 day ban to Padraig. I have also reverted emorfion change of Padraig user page as it is not really in the spirit of editing, but I don't think that anything else except warning should be given to emorfion as this was done as reaction to Padraig vandalism. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 21:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

There will be always people that will get a ban on eRepublik and then they will try to mess up the wiki. I know that Belea gave a 7 day ban to Padraig, but for this action we should issue a permaban as this editors (like Padraig) doesn't have any desire to update any articles. What do you think? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 21:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

"Ah, I will ban him for a week then he will come back and be supernice and do some awesome contributions, considering his recent major vandalism!" --Aryamehr talk 23:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 for Andy tbh - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 01:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 for permban -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 11:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 as well. someone tell me though, is Joe Hitman ‎ (Replaced content with 'is a brit') meant to be an insult of some kind? :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 14:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

He's an RL Irish nationalist; he takes any opportunity to slander the British, posting pics of dead soldiers n stuff over IRC :/ For him, "is a brit" must be an ultimate insult. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 14:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah okay. That would make sense then, In a way. All im saying is - Im an Aussie - and, I hate sports right now ;) (for once England are winning. lol). Anyways - BANHAMMER? :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 15:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

It's 4:0 for permban, so I'm going to lift banhammer soon. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 16:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Everyone is in favour of banning, and you are going to let the guy go free? :O -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

16:42 . . Grzechooo changed block settings for Padraig Pearse with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, autoblock disabled) (blanked several articles, vandalized few more, and Bar voting sorted out this guy should be banned permanently.) -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 15:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Give him a ban for a week and a warning, and if he does one stupid edit, he is gone forever. Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 10:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Region template update...

... is now live! It adds the right resource to the region template without need to change every single region page! Tomorrow I will change the system so that it doesn't have to use #switch to get the right resource. If you don't like this feature, tell it. -- sampo555 | Talk 19:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Cool beans :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 22:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Removal of ONE from Active Alliances

It's come to my attention that the once aspiring alliance, Order of Nations of eRepublik has become an inactive one, the channel has been left empty, there has not been a single bit of alliance activity since it's formation, it's been abandoned by its creators and its countries. I want to start a discussion regarding it's removal from the Active Alliances list. ~ Thomas765 ^{come talk} - 23:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

It hasnt been active for a few months, it should be removed Rangeley 23:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think ONE even got past the charter phase. There is a new alliance though, that we should look for:

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hekter-for-president-pacman-charter-signed-orders-of-philippines-1593463/1/20

Auk Rest 00:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh hey... another neutral alliance down the gutter... shocking... - Jameson L. Tai ^talk/_{Minister of Defense and Director of National Intelligence} 19:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Wiki

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Military_formulas

It's ok? --Marnes 21:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Added Template:Formulas on it. Thanks! --Belea2008 14:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for the Italian Miltary pages

First of all - these pages have been outdated for a VERY long time. In fact, if you check the history, one of the only updates this year was me, when i added the "Outdated" tag to them. What I wish to suggest is that we combine them into the one page. I dont believe it is necessary to have 30 outdated pages, when they can be condensed down into one page. So ... I'm suggesting this here. What does everyone think? Good idea? Bad?

I plan on acting on this in a few days if noone has any objections. -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 05:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Meh, fair enough. Just put each "division" or w/e in a section of the page. :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 11:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats what I was planning on doing. Honestly, I think that most of the "military" groups died out with Version 2 / Rising. There are a few groups that have remained strong - i know TCO is still doing well, and a few other groups are too, but on the whole, they're all dying slowly (Feel free to correct this if its incorrect) -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 10:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

AFAIK, most national militaries are doing ok; sure after V2 everything sorta crashed, but in general, all seems to be growing again. :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 13:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Mess in logos

OK, I must admit we have mess in party logos which names are ranging from party name/it's derivals (Logoppl.jpg, Wkwkwkwkwparty.jpg‎, haupei.jpg), acronyms (CDP.jpg, HUS avatar.jpg) to completely random names like 79546295-1-.png (I lol'd at this), Party 52.jpg, Zeus.jpg, and so on. Any ideas on cleaning up this mess? (I think it also applies to citizen avatars)
Not mentioning some of them aren't even categorised. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 13:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Lol, good shout tbh. I would go for using a citizen's ID as it's avatar file name, and the party's full name spaced out.- John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 13:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I think for citizens citizen name would be better, but spaces will destroy automation. :| -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 13:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Grzechooo - really? Sampo and myself categorized the thousands of images about 6 months ago :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 10:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

In about 10 minutes I could (maybe) get all images of certain types categorized. Like every picture that is in party template or like every image in the citizen template would get the right category. But the categorizing is the easiest part. The harder part is renaming them all and getting rid of all redirects... -- sampo555 | Talk 15:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, moving files is impossible atm, we can only reupload them as something else and redirect old...

And, yeah, I remember your botti..., khm, categorising some time ago :P -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 16:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey! I was doing it manually at that point! I remember "racing" Sampo and wondering how the hell he was getting them done twice as fast as me :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

And I thought that Sysops can move images... But back to business. After learning how to use mediawiki api and few problems, I got following results: There is about 1000 pages with {{Party}} (=party pages). Those pages have 306 images written in to the logo= | -field. I can categorize those as party avatars using the Special:MassEditRegex if you want (and if it works :P)... -- sampo555 | Talk 17:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

That's fairly sexy Sampo =O - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 17:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so. The mediawiki API tells me that page doesn't have category, but when I check the page here in wiki, it has a category. So this doesn't really lead anywhere :(. I only have a list of files that are supposed to be written in to the "logo"-field of Party template (I haven't checked if it's really there :D)... Better to go through them manually... -- sampo555 | Talk 18:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

If Andy or someone else who can move files wants to start standardizing the names of party logos, you can find a list of current logos here ;) -- sampo555 | Talk 18:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I would help rename them but I'm not a Sysop so I can't :/ Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 03:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

OK Sampo, I will do it tomorrow (pretty busy today), but how should I categorize them? Party-Name of the party.jpg; Party-ID.jpg (and what in the case of same IDs? Should I add letters to the end? EXAMPLE: Party-ID.jpg would be the oldest, Party-IDA.jpg would be the next one, etc.), or do you want me to use the abbreviations with the similar addition as before, but I would add numbers on the end (EXAMPLE: Party-ABB.jpg would be the oldest, Party-ABB1.jpg would be the next one, Party-ABB2.jpg would be the next one, etc.). Waiting for your feedback people, so lets write it down - which categorizing should be used - Party-Name of the party.jpg, Party-ID.jpg or Party-ABB.jpg or maybe something else? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andycro (talk • contribs)

I would go for Party-Name of the party.jpg. -- sampo555 | Talk 13:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

If nobody will complain I will move the files on Thursday (I forgot that I am going on a football match on Wednesday so I have more RL tasks to do). If you find out something else to move, please tell me. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 16:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

14 files moved so far. I will finish the move procedure in next 16 hours (probably sooner, but if something "pops-up" in RL, I can't be sure). Sampo, please take a look is this ok for now. I have moved 14 files from the top of your list. Oh yes, and the best way to correct these pages is to review the articles about parties... Some are probably dead so this should be written, also take a look that the party didn't changed ID as it was TOed or country overrun (check out the rankings of the national parties by country). --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 01:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I might do this in the future. Now I'm angry about admins latest "improvements" so I'm not gonna do anything here this weekend. -- sampo555 | Talk 14:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

If I counted correctly - 312 files moved; 11 duplicated files deleted and I had some problems with some files, so I would really appreciate your feedback how to name them/what to do with them:

• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Party_98.jpg (3 parties; how to name the file?)
• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:DSPlogo.jpg (5 parties; how to name the file?
• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Seal-PEACE-GC.jpg (isn't there another seal of PEACE?)
• which one:
  • http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:1266589611.jpg or
  • http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Green.jpg
• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Zippy.jpg (is this really the name of the party or should it be with an y)
• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Csehavatar_.jpg (nothing points here)
• http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/File:Sfp.jpg (two parties, one has a link, another doesn't have the link?)

Also, if you find some error or file not moved, also contact me. Thank you. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 21:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

erepublik laws

They should be summarily deleted from the wiki, because neither the moderators, nor the admins care about them; they all ban whomsoever they are angry at or want some vengeance, and appeals only accepted for those who have a friend among them. It is more than simply being angry at them, it is a sad, but true fact. --Quicksilver 14:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

... - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I won't even dignify this brain vomit from a proper response. Welcome to the interwebs. - Jameson L. Tai ^talk/_{Minister of Defense and Director of National Intelligence} 23:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

It is time to go unless things change for better

I believe that December will be my last month on wiki and eRepublik. This decision was not made easily, but there is really no point of being here anymore - eRepublik is becoming a ruin of a great game. Admins are indirectly supporting multi-accounting, they make updates as they want, there is no real testing of the updates which usually results in removing the updates and replacing them with some kind of patches, communication between admins and citizens almost doesn't exist... I will do my best to clean up the wiki in December but if something dramatically won't change in the organization scheme of the eRepublik, this is my last month here. Just letting you know, but I won't say goodbye until the end of December... I will be very active this month, so if you are going to need something, please don't hesitate to contact me. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 23:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 :( Sad to see such an awesome wiki'er go. You'll be missed. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 23:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not easy for me to see you leaving Wiki. I'm also losing will to play this game, for reasons I won't write down here. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 12:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

And again changes are implemented... Damn it admins, I understand tweaks there and there, but implementing bigger changes is a big think as it hits a lot of citizens. And this time, no explanations? WTF? I am now reading Croatian responses - simply confused, angry and disappointed people - not with the changes, but with this admin treatment.

And Grzechooo and Jan, trust me, this was not written suddenly, but I am simply to tired to clean up the mess... I will do probably an 5-8 hour shifts next few days to complete archiving / reviewing all one and rising articles so that the people would have the chance to read relevant data here and not obsolete.

And Belea, I answered your ingame PM. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 18:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It sucks to see you leaving. Though I hope you keep in touch with us using other means of communication. I agree with everything you have written. My biggest question is: How much more criticsm and how many more players have to leave until Erepublik team GETS it? Or actually, the bigger question is... will they ever get it? I can make a couple A4 pages full of everything that is wrong and 1 A4 page of everything that is good. This game has been like this since Beta, and it has not changed in three years, and I am 99.99% sure it will not change anytime near future unless someone buys them, and that someone I hope have good leadership skills. --Aryamehr talk 20:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added the rising template + fixed the LangMenu in every Rising namespace article there was (at the time of posting). So you don't have to worry about those things anymore. Have a wonderful life without eRepublik. We'll miss you! -- sampo555 | Talk 17:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you trying to get rid of me sampo? :D Trust me sampo, there is a still lot of work to do with this archiving, thank you for helping me with langMenu and rising template, but I still will have to review all articles and redirects... BTW - I managed to see that new rank icons were updated, would you be able to create new {{Rank}} template so it would equipped with new icons and fit with the citizen template? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 21:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing it if you want? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you can do that. And andycro, I don't want to get rid of you. Just easing up your work a little bit :D. -- sampo555 | Talk 05:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sadly thinking about the same of Andycro, it's become boring and I dont understand anymore what are doing devellopers (ie: last changes more down v) Im not gone yet xd but Im close to do it ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 12:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that my stay here was prolonged for many months hoping to see that things will be better, but the community is decaying day by day. I am still here as there are still some hope that our admins will see that we are decaying and that they will start to do something about it. The best example is that there are a better communication between them and us (see sections about economical and military changes that WILL happen; in last few months we discovered them when they already happened), but this is a tip of an iceberg. But lets see, next week I will continue to bother Belea about some issues and hope that we will have a better place here and on eRepublik. Thank you all for you support. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

YOU CAN'T GO, ANDY!! If you do... who will tolerate my massive blunders?! -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe that you are making a correct decision Andy... There are far to many major changes, new concepts are brought in than there are sudden back-flips by would-be developers of this game. It is a pity, because this game HAD a great potential, but so many major changes and than sudden reversals have destroyed (at least for me) any little enjoyment I still had left....

I also can not see, how few editors are supposed to keep this Wiki up-to-date... Great job editors... best of luck----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 10:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

..and if you decide to leave, you will be joining an elite group of old editors such as: QJ Lincoln (October 2010), Kuhaa (October 2010), MiniBill (June 2010), Litro (July 2010), yours truly ;-P (Sept 2010), Nikolaos Sauzer Zacharidis (February 2010)---in brackets are dates of the last edit ----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 10:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to say, I thought you had happily retired, Hrvat! Welcome back, if you are indeed back! -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 16:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

On request of several people, I have decided to stay for ad least one month. I will also start several actions on giving away gold and Croatian money for article and image updates. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Citizen Template

We need to fix the citizen template such that it reflects the new Military ranks. Old ranks should be grandfathered in as well. - Jameson L. Tai ^talk/_{Minister of Defense and Director of National Intelligence} 23:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

New icons should work ok, but why should we add the old ones? They shouldn't be used! :/ --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 00:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I know the answer to that one: For the people that died before these fun new ranks came into being? And if that answer doesnt grab you ... because it will make it easier to revert back to them if a month from now it happens :P -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 05:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Then, I would add a new condition to the template: Something called the "old rank" or something like that. Than we can add that this old rank is connected to the "old ranks". What do you think? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 10:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds excellent! - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 11:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Did anyone tried to battle with this? --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Changes, Changes, Changes

If you thought that the wiki can't get more outdated, you were wrong: http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/105982-Changes-changes-changes -- sampo555 | Talk 20:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHA --Quicksilver 21:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

My reaction => HAEHAUHAEUHAEUHaeuhaeuhaeuhaewkwkwkwkwkwkwkwхахахахахахахахааххаHAEUahaeuhaeuhAEUHAEhaeu --DanielDimow|☪|Speak to me. 12:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I totally forgot to mention that Belea lied to us at IRC (suprise?). -- sampo555 | Talk 16:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

These recent changes are absolutely terrible :( Also, he lied about what? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 16:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

[15:53] <Belea> Yes, it is optional. And I would be glad to present you the bigger vision another place, another time.... for now, that transfer of company is optional.
If they're removing orgs, I don't think it's optional for you to transfer companies from orgs to your citizen :D -- sampo555 | Talk 17:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Then again, have they actually said they're removing orgs? - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes they have: http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/105982-Changes-changes-changes?p=1361445&viewfull=1#post1361445 (and this thing about lying was supposed to be funny fact that wasn't meant to be taken seriously :D)-- sampo555 | Talk 18:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh this is terrible :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( What the hell are they thinking ;_; - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 21:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Some cases which need solving

1. You may have seen I was off in last days. That was due to some RL issues.
2. I protected Cyprus-related pages for a week. That's due to edit wars (used languages were switched in order)
3. Resources icons. New resources have been uploaded as .pngs (File:Icon - Fish.png), old too (File:Icon - Grain.png), but we have their copies in .jpg too (File:Icon - Grain.jpg). My proposition is to keep .pngs and delete .jpgs as they don't support transparency, and mass relink .jpgs to .pngs. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 14:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep the .pngs and get rid of .jpgs. -- sampo555 | Talk 12:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, I forgot to sign. Also, I had one idea more, but I forgot it. :( So, I will try to hire MassEditRegex to change from .jpg to .png, and then I'll delete .jpgs. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 14:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you unlock the Cyprus page for Uber Editors, there is a few things I'd like to edit on the page :) Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 02:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh, wish I'm able to do it... -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 14:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

What changes do you want to do Rowan? Do it in your sandbox, tell us and it will be implemented --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 20:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, don't worry, I can wait until later, I better finish my version of the Belgium page. - Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 10:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

What does local currency means exactly?

I received this question (especially related to Missions).... thus, the answer is: The local currency terminology stands for the equivalent currency of the country you are resident in. --Belea2008 10:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think this info should be added here: http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Currency and in other key pages. --Belea2008 10:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. Anyways, a person don't need to be so smart to understand it. --/Santirub 00:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Dear editors, uber-editors and our Admins. Although we had a lot of work, mostly archiving and boting in general, in this last couple of weeks I would like to wish you all a Merry and a Happy Christmas. I hope that you will spend these holidays with your loved ones. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 :) Merry christmas all! - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 02:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 Happy holidays!--Belea2008 09:35, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc. Although im not sure why editors, Uber editors and Admins need to be separated ;) -- Timeoin|Say G'Day 06:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Bar overflow

We have a problem. There is so much discussion in the bar that the TOC flows over the first discussions. I suggest that we make the TOC scrollable so that it won't hide the discussions at the top. As a negative side you will need to scroll the TOC if you want to access some discussion at the bottom. What do you think? -- sampo555 | Talk 21:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

0 I don't really have an opinion... It is nice to see so much action in the bar, I would be even more happier if all bar problems would be resolved. I try to archive all resolved issues few days after so that the person who had a problem has enough time to see the answer, I can't go any faster. If there will be a consensus that TOC should be modified, I will agree, but that I have some special position on this matter, I don't have it. --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 22:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

+1 - Rowan Quigley ^{Talk to me!} 10:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Implemented. -- sampo555 | Talk 14:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Well done and thank you for the initiative! --Belea2008 10:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Rewards

Reward proposal for December has been updated, so please take a look and comment where do you want your reward if you have a reward to get! :D --AndyCro Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 10:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Some extremely sad news: Malta_1990

Hey guys. Today the eUK community was informed of Malta_1990's tragic death, on the 4th of November. Although he was not incredibly active in bar discussions here, he was a strong wiki editor for the eUK, and an amazing guy. Please take a moment to read this post made by a fellow Maltese player, if you knew him at all. He will be sorely missed :(

R.I.P. Matteo - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Pretorian Guard} 01:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what should I write, maybe just: R.I.P Matteo. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 15:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

R.I.P. Matteo --Belea2008 10:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)