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Region Name Changes

Ireland recently ticketed the Admin for a name change of several regions. This ticket succeeded and there are several of Ireland's 6 regions which now have new names. Ireland is still looking at changing the names again since many people were unsatisfied with the new names (so we should wait until the final settlement to make changes related to this). I'm just wondering how we go about changing these regions and more importantly what we do about all of the links to the former names of the regions. --Ian E Coleman 11:41, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

I think we should save them for historical info ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 12:48, 15 May 2011 (PDT)

MoS for game terms

I made some redirects a few weeks back, but they were removed because they were deemed "not needed". Some of them I understand, but some in particular I think should be used as part of the MoS. These are Natural enemy and Resistance War and Resistance Wars (though this last one can be done through [[Resistance War]]s). Note the capitalization of the second word. I have seen other editors occasionally write them the same way, so its not just me. Grammatically I think they are technically correct depending upon their usage, and I'd like to point out that the terms are often capitalized in-game as well, which could explain why some editors like myself perhaps inadvertently use them in this form. Also, I am not suggesting that lower cases be removed or superseded, just that cap version also be allowed as a redirect. Calling for a vote. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   00:11, 23 April 2011 (PDT)

+1, -1, or 0?

+1 for me, obviously. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   00:11, 23 April 2011 (PDT)

-1 Redirects should be created to make the pages easier to find. The search doesn't care if it's lower case of upper case: the page is found if it's written correctly (Natural enemy, NATURAL ENEMY, natural enemy etc. the page is found). People who create pages should use [[Right name|name you want]] syntax. We don't need to create any more redirects for those who are too lazy to write few more letters. That's my opinion. -- sampo555 | Talk 00:39, 23 April 2011 (PDT)

not so much a question of laziness, but one of grammar; particularly applied to Natural Enemy, which could be considered a formal Title depending upon how it is used. Normal language usage would be to capitalize it in some cases, so using the wiki syntax is counter-intuitive, not to mention potentially incorrect. I'm not suggesting a full capitalization of the term, i.e NATURAL ENEMY (which would be weird), just adhering to standard grammar conventions by capitalizing both words. Similar to how it is used in-game. But it is a small issue, so if others feel it is not needed, then cool. Term searching is not the issue, it is internal linking (the power of wikis) that is mostly of importance. However, its not like there is a premium on redirect space, unless there is some technical issue that could somehow gum it up that I'm unaware of. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   02:10, 23 April 2011 (PDT)

-1 I agree with sampo, we are already having trouble with spotting unused and not needed redirects, making more is stupid. People need to learn to spell them in lower case in section of the title. -- Rowan Quigley 04:58, 23 April 2011 (PDT)

-1 Resistance War and Resistance Wars - when used in game like that, they are considered typos by the tech guys (low priority bugs). Natural Enemy is still debated in the team. To better understand, for a long period of time, we used American English in site (second letter capitalized - especially in titles and in game concepts). The official main language of the site is UK English. With that in mind, some concepts are still written with second letter capitalized (see the whole "Gold and Extras" page) - in order to "emphasize" their importance. Also, an interesting one - on homepage - it is written "Military Campaigns" - it should be "Military campaigns" :) > All in all, in the long term, all these typos in the site should be corrected (and everything should have only the first letter capitalized). --Belea2008 01:13, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Uber Editor Nominations

John F Baker

I've decided I'd like to nominate John F Baker to become a Uber Editor. He has been a fantastic editor and seems to be perfect for the position. He has made many fantastic edits and is a very good user of Photoshop. I hope Uber Editors and Users of the wiki also agree with me in letting this great editor move along the steps to what I'd like to see him as a Administrator of the wiki in the future. But this will do for now :P

So from me, +1 -- Mikhail Alexander 04:42, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 He deserves that position... -- Dalibor / ^Talk 04:49, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 (if I can vote on this) - I actually thought he already was. He has done massive cool damage by setting up the Battle Row template, based on Khebit's way cool lay out. Battle Row: Making life easier for war editors since 2011. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   06:52, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

I think it needs some tweaking, see User:Grzechooo/War infobox - example of my templates -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 08:56, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 "I actually thought he already was" Same goes for me :D ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 09:46, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 -- sampo555 | Talk 10:07, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 --Chris Stanwick 19:19, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 --Santirub ● «say me hi :3» 10:44, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

Wowza, I gotta say, I'm honoured! I've been a bit inactive this past week due to exams, but I'll be back come Monday :) - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Royal Navy} 15:27, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 Becouse he will finish thombstone template tomorow :) -- Hurkancs _{Are You talking to Me?} 18:04, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

Citizen 6

So, while we're at nominating Uber Editors, I'd like to nominate Citizen 6 to become an Uber Editor. He is doing a lot to keep World War V and wars around it actual, well-sourced, and I think he is ready to become Uber Editor (5 months from his first edit). +1 -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 04:50, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 -- Mikhail Alexander 04:52, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 Of course yes, as he's doing an awesome job at keeping updated World War V. ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 09:46, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 From here too -- sampo555 | Talk 10:07, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 --Chris Stanwick 19:19, 27 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 --Santirub ● «say me hi :3» 10:44, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 -- He has an excellent wiki ethos, and great enthusiasm! - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Royal Navy} 15:28, 28 April 2011 (PDT)

+1 He deserve it \o/-- Hurkancs _{Are You talking to Me?} 18:05, 29 April 2011 (PDT)

I don't mean to rush this along or anything...

But a conclusion to these nominations would be good :P :) • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 09:14, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

I, Aryamehr, as the Supreme Leader, declare Citizen 6 and John F Baker as Uber Editors of Erepublik Wiki. -Aryamehr talk 13:27, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

If we look at the Uber editor policy, it states that only sysops can vote. But in this case, the sysops have supported both of the candidates so congratulations: John F Baker and Citizen 6 are now officially uber editors! (BTW your user pages are so full of stuff that I find it very hard to find a place for uber badge :D) -- sampo555 | Talk 13:46, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

Thank you guys, nice to feel appreciated by others who also like playing on the wiki. So do I get, like, a new special power or something? Do I now become immortal and shoot lightning from my arse, or get to join an elite squad of Uber Editor Ninja Vatican Assassins? Nah, serious, thanks guys. Its nice to get some props.  :-) -- Citizen 6 _Talk   02:57, 7 May 2011 (PDT)

Congratz guys!!! -- Dalibor / ^Talk 15:12, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Congratz! Actually I thought you were Uber Editors alredy. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 23:55, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

Ty gents, essentially what C6 said :] • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 01:59, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Resources table

Aka User:Khebit/Resources. Wuz bored, and made a table to show regions with resources of a country. Example (with the United Arab Emirates):

Resource	Regions
Grain	Not available
Deer	Not available
Fish	Ajman, Ras al-Khaimah, Fujairah
Cattle	Not available
Fruits	Not available
Iron	Umm al Quwain
Aluminum	Not available
Saltpeter	Dubai, Sharjah
Oil	Abu Dhabi
Rubber	Not available
Sand	Not available
Clay	Not available
Wood	Not available
Limestone	Not available
Granite	Not available
Neodymium	Not available
Magnesium	Not available
Cobalt	Not available
Titanium	Not available
Wolfram	Not available

Feel free to edit/improve/change it :D ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 04:54, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

I like it :D-- Hurkancs _{Are You talking to Me?} 16:34, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

Its fantastic, I love it, I'll make the template now and we can distribute it to country pages :D -- Mikhail Alexander 19:02, 30 April 2011 (PDT)

Template:Resources - Done! :D -- Mikhail Alexander 05:54, 1 May 2011 (PDT)

Could we potentially compact it a bit? I.e make is less height-uneconomical, and spread it out widthways. I'll display what I mean in a sec. - John F Baker ^Talk/_{Royal Navy} 03:43, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Maybe a 2-columns version? -- iVicentico (Leave you complaint here) 12:52, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

We have to change it again because of the update:P ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 03:50, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

History of ONE/NWO

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/one-new-world-order--1764629/1/20

Could someone please document it in the Wiki (in case it is not already)? --Belea2008 14:16, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

pretty heavy pro-ONE and the translation wasn't so good, but I tried to rewrite it so it made sense. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   00:29, 8 May 2011 (PDT)

History of EDEN

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-eden-the-genesis-1765309/1/20

Could someone please document it in the Wiki (in case it is not already)? --Belea2008 13:46, 4 May 2011 (PDT)

Elink template

How can i use this template for linking laws and Elections ? Ali Emami talk to me 18:36, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

YOu cannot :/ The only way to do it is using the plainlinks tag, but I don't know how to use it. ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 10:16, 4 May 2011 (PDT)

I shall add those features to it later today.-- sampo555 | Talk 21:16, 4 May 2011 (PDT)

Khebit, all this plainlinks is just <span> with class "plainlinks", something like this:

<span class="plainlinks">[http://erepublik.com/en eRep]</span>
eRep

I just realised that those two types can't be done with eLink (as laws require the country name and elections need country, type (party id, region), date). This would just make the template a lot more complicated and it's easier to use the example above. -- sampo555 | Talk 07:51, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

BTW, what do you think if we make all links to erepublik.com (and subdomains) as plainlinks? (Future: http://www.erepublik.com, current: http://www.erepublik.com) -- sampo555 | Talk 08:01, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

BTW. Why don't make separate templates for them? -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 03:38, 8 May 2011 (PDT)

-1 I like knowing if I'm going off-wiki before clicking, even to eRep. If we could somehow change the link color or something I'd like that much better than the link-box, which always looks a bit off when used in text content. But I don't know if that is possible. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   08:23, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

-1 too, just because I love the arrow :D ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 10:20, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

0 Only if in the end its not an arrow. I hate the arrows they make it untidy. -- Mikhail Alexander 14:29, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 The wiki is part of erep, so I don't see why you'd ever consider it an "external" link. • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 19:19, 7 May 2011 (PDT)

For editing the color of the link, we have to add a css line in MediaWiki:Common.css this:

span.plainlinks {color:"color needed";}

Tell me what style you want to use, and I'll make the syntax. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:07, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

As you can see from the voting, people didn't like the idea so it's not going to implemented. But thanks for the effort! -- sampo555 | Talk 05:19, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

Merge Tag

If anyone feels bored and wants to work on a template tag, I think we could use one for "Merge". That is, if we don't already have one. I worked up something real quick over on Battle for Serbia, but something formalized in the TempSpace might be useful down the road. Maybe with a better image if you want, though I like the colors. But up to whoever spends the time doing it.  :-) Also, unrelated, what's up with the drop-downs here in the bar? When you expand "Major discussions" and "Bar Archives" the transparency is all whacky. Just wanted to point it out in case others missed it. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   04:14, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

BTW. Do we even use those "Major discussions"? -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 05:46, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

I've never used a "Major discussion" template in all of my wiki times on this website, and I'm a sysop. If you really want to use it I suppose we can put it in for you but you'll be probably the only one using it. -- Mikhail Alexander 14:26, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

I doubt I'd use it, just saying it looks weird. Maybe it should just be removed? -- Citizen 6 _Talk   15:23, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

I'm not sure if you understood me correctly, because I meant this "Major disussions" on top of Bar page. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 03:09, 7 May 2011 (PDT)

yeah, I was talking about the expandables underneath the "menu" above, here in the bar. If you click them, the transparency makes the expanded content difficult to read (at least on my comp). I'm wasn't suggesting a tag for "major discussions". My fault for not making a separate discussion, just something minor that I was pointing out in passing, and I don't use them anyway. Anyway, looks like you made a merge tag {{Merge}} for us. thanks Grzechoo. whats wrong with red and khaki, Jan!? just kidding ... :-D -- Citizen 6 _Talk   04:48, 8 May 2011 (PDT)

MediaWiki:Uploadtext

I suggest that we add notice about file naming policy to MediaWiki:Uploadtext (Like "If the file is a region map, use "Region-regionname" naming convention). This will be shown in when uploading an image and people will (hopefully) read it so that sysops don't need to move files, fix links and remove redirects all the time. What do you think? -- sampo555 | Talk 12:47, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 This makes more sense. We will also need to do it for Coat, Flag (in jpg format) as well as Region maps. Good idea :D -- Mikhail Alexander 14:25, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 sounds good, now if it will be followed is another story. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   15:25, 5 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 God yes • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 00:03, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 Do it :) ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 02:59, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 Good idea, I have proposed an example of message here. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 06:00, 6 May 2011 (PDT)

It seems that people like it. Go to MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext and tell your proposal (and comment others). -- sampo555 | Talk 05:11, 9 May 2011 (PDT)

As no one cared about the discussion in talk page, I was selfish and implemented my own idea :D -- sampo555 | Talk 05:17, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

API in eRepublik Wiki

=== Using API in the wiki ===

Editors agreed to this but the implementation of this feature has been postponed with 3 months by eRepublik Team. -- sampo555 | Talk 06:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

When it's going to be "alive"?-- Hurkancs _{Are You talking to Me?} 12:00, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

I think never. Instead of that, there has been an engineer working from time to time on a bot which would get the info directly from the eRepublik database. But as you can guess, the wiki isn't first item on the engineer's priority list... -- sampo555 | Talk 21:16, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

Damn :/ Why are they not giving any attention to wiki :/ -- Hurkancs _{Talk page / Hurkancs} 03:25, 11 May 2011 (PDT)

Herr... are they giving attention to something? ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 09:12, 11 May 2011 (PDT)

I'm back!

Sorry for being so inactive, I had to move to Bucharest and I had no internet for some months! I'm ready to go on with the work again! I missed this wiki. So where should I start? ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 22:57, 11 May 2011 (PDT)

Welcome back! --Belea2008 01:08, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Day 1269

Game not working! - We are experiencing technical difficulties with the military module. We'll put it under maintenance until all technical issues are resolved! --Belea2008 04:10, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

We have to refresh my land to recover health to 100 and then to work in each company - Health is no longer taken under consideration when working. --Belea2008 04:12, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

But does it mean we can't use boosters for working anymore? - Yes, that is correct. Work boosters feature was removed. --Belea2008 04:13, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Then how the work bonuses work anyway? - On top of basic productivity (displayed when you build), ONLY country resources bonuses and economy skill bonuses are added. --Belea2008 04:14, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

When is storage limit taking action? - On Day 1275. When that happens, none of the items from your inventory will be lost. --Belea2008 04:16, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

What happens if I don't use the button from ORGANIZATIONS? - Nothing. --Belea2008 04:17, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

I can't send tickets... - Please write an email to bugs[at]erepublik[dot]com and the tech guys will sort it out. --Belea2008 04:58, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Why did you delete my forum post? - Thread which are not valid game suggestions do not belong in the forum. If you have a question about gameplay, you can write it in the Wiki. If you wish to contact the team about a specific issue, please use the contact page. --Belea2008 07:00, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Answer to "Why did you delete my forum post?" isn't a real answer, most players have forum accounts but not Wiki accounts. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 07:31, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Then they should request one, if they have not done so already. --Belea2008 07:36, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

You kidding, right? You think that we (wiki editors) should be the ones to do your work in game support too? We already have tons of things to do just to keep this wiki on track and we should do more of your work. Not going to happen. -- sampo555 | Talk 07:55, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

No, I don't expect you to do any "work". If a citizen wishes to ask a question publicly, then he should find the information in the Wiki. If he wishes to ask the question privately, then he should use the contact page. The forum does not belong in this "scheme" (reading information - Wiki; asking information - contact page). --Belea2008 08:22, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

What is forum for then? confused: -- Dalibor / ^Talk 10:02, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

From now on, the forum will shift its focus on communication with specific groups of citizens (the three private sections for now) and on receiving any valid thoughtful gameplay suggestions. --Belea2008 11:01, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Just provide a Player Help section. FREE customer support. What could be better for a business? Put "Send in a TICKET for Administrator assistance" so people don't expect Admin to handle things themselves and you'd have it made. Sorry if this is coming off as a rant but it's frustrating to see the sheer lack of communication that goes on. People ask for a reasonable things and threads get locked and deleted. Plato springs new changes on us and only your leak gave people any kind of idea what to plan for. The fact that we can make food to use to make the food we use continues to drain the economy dry. I soldier on but certainly don't plan on spending a dime on the game as it is.--Endy chat 15:22, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

I know there is an option on orgs,which I can dissolve it. But,if I don't wanna do it,when will the org dissolve itself? - No deadline or other public information are available about the phase in which we will irreversible and permanently remove organizations from the New World. --Belea2008 07:10, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Productivity formula - does anyone know it? - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-ministry-of-industry-new-companies-production-and-storages-1771364/1/20 --Belea2008 07:36, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Can i dissolve my org account any time? Or is there a time limit for this? - Anytime. At the moment, there is no limit/deadline for usage of this feature. --Belea2008 11:28, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Let's see.

1. New page - ugly, very ugly.
2. New changes - I do not know at this moment what changes there are - but it sucks how things get changed in a day and then they don't even fully work. Worst part is that it's just changes changes changes to exisiting things, and nothing new.
3. Oh and yeah, forums - seriously, what's the point of having forums if nobody is allowed to discuss anything there and all threads get locked? Do you guys even know the MEANING of the word FORUM!? Incredible the level of knowledge....

Edit: I just found out that the Forum was basically removed. lol. This game is so weird. It just does not work, there is no system to say. There is nothing to make sure things go smooth. it seems like one day they decide something and the next day they do it haha...--Aryamehr talk 12:27, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Also, you are randomly accepting accounts, and as I said before, Forum should be for support, not Wiki.. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 06:58, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

Work skill gain formula Hi, I was wondering if the formula for the work skill gain after one work is 50*skill, no matter of the bonuses or the company. Am I right ?--X le variable talk 12:39, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

What we need to do...

is to check and update every article in Category:Economy and Category:Playing the Game. I wish that every editor tries to do their best in order to get the wiki updated. -- sampo555 | Talk 10:02, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

• Changed Game Menu template, removing my organizations row. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 22:46, 12 May 2011 (PDT)
• I am editing Homepage, and adding new photos. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 22:46, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

Great! Cross over the pages you've updated in the top of bar (from the list) when you're done. Good job! -- sampo555 | Talk 05:11, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

Weapon raw material

Food raw material

Sorted :) • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 02:42, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Urgent Language category

I think if we put a {{SUBPAGENAME}}we could help translators find the outdated translations faster. What do you think? We should put this:

[[Category:Outdated{{#ifeq: {{SUBPAGENAME}}|{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|| {{SUBPAGENAME}}}}]]

~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 12:53, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

-1 - The outdated category is already ordered by language so there's no need for tweaking. -- sampo555 | Talk 23:17, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

LOL Didn't notice :(, So i think we don't have to vote this... ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 00:01, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Next time when you want to put some idea, first check if it wasn't implemented -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 06:09, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Info for New Citizens

I've asked admins if I was able to create a new citizen to go over sections on when things happen and when they are unlocked. They agreed as long as I kept them up to date on what I do with it, which I have been. http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/4782806 This is the account for those that are interested. I've started a page about when things are unlocked and if people could update pages where needed it would be great. I'll be happy to give screenshots where needed. User:Mikhail_Alexander/Sandbox2 -- Mikhail Alexander 02:25, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Updating the wiki

After the latest changes in economy module, we're going to need to do an massive update here in wiki. Here is a list of pages that need changing (feel free to add new ones). Once you have completed the update cross the page name from this list (Use: <s></s>)

• Raw materials
  • Aluminum
  • Cattle
  • Deer
  • Fish
  • Fruits
  • Grain
  • Iron
  • Oil
  • Rubber
  • Saltpeter
  • Stone
• Products
  • Defense system
  • Food
  • Hospital
  • House
  • Moving ticket
  • Weapon
• My land
  • Work
  • Create company
  • Customization level
  • Customization level upgrade
  • Booster
  • Storage
• Random
  • Companies for sale
  • Economy
  • Taxes
  • Job market
  • Industry
  • Marketplace
  • Productivity
  • Booster
  • Change residence
  • Gold
  • Health
  • Storage
  • Organization
  • Homepage
  • Missions
  • Emma
• Templates that need to be changed
  • Template:Game Menu
• Articles that need to be created
  • Food raw material
  • Weapon raw material

You can use this as documentation when updating the pages. I can say that there's a lot of other pages that still need updating but this is a good start. Have fun updating! -- sampo555 | Talk 10:25, 12 May 2011 (PDT)

I never thought we could make this happen so fast. Usually it takes months with no one doing anything and then I find myself updating the articles but now it was quite different. I want to thank everyone who made this happen! -- sampo555 | Talk 10:51, 15 May 2011 (PDT)

Lol it went really fast ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 12:42, 15 May 2011 (PDT)

\o/ • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 13:52, 15 May 2011 (PDT)

After I checked what exactly you have done in the articles mentioned above, I found following problems:

• Economy page not updated.
• Template:Game Menu don't need to be changed as the organization entry is still there (at least for me). It should only be visible if you have created orgs.
• Create company needs to be archived to Rising: namespace.

So it would be great if you hard-working guys could fix this problems too (It feels so good to delegate jobs to others :D) -- sampo555 | Talk 05:43, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

IKS, an in-game wiki editor group

Please excuse the long read, but hopefully you will find this interesting ...

So I've been slowly working on developing a new in-game group. The twist here is that this group is designed not as a political party, nor as a military group, but rather as a true social group. Instead of focusing on warring, politics, and building your stats, this proposed group is designed primarily around this wiki and gathering information about the game. I'm not sure if this has been tried before, but I thought why not give it a shot.

You see, the truth is that I spend far more time "playing" this game here on the wiki then I ever have done in the game. A lot more. This is mostly because of all things that the game has to offer, the wiki is by far my favorite part. Maybe it's just me, guess it just suits me better than any of the modules. I got attracted to eRep because of the whole social and "you create history" aspect, and ultimately I have come to the conclusion that the wiki is really where that gets accomplished. Let's face it, most players who don't lurk the forums or IRC, particularly the newbs, usually will come to the wiki to find out the information they are looking for. Sadly, when I first started, I discovered that the wiki was seriously outdated in a lot of cases, even concerning things that you would think would be important. The New World is a bit confusing to new users and the game seems to point newbs to the wiki to find the answers. But nothing is worse than being a newborn and walking into a bunch of outdated and sometimes contradictory information.

So this is why I would like to invite any interested editors, who really enjoy passing on accurate and updated information, to sign up for a group that I have named, IKS. The acronym doesn't have an official meaning, but unofficially it stands for I Kill Spies. Why this name? Well, aside from a little RPing, my thinking is it might be a way to integrate wiki editing and the game. In particular, bringing together wiki historians and in-game Ambassador_(diplomacy) roles. Why? Because I've come to learn that if you really want to know what is going on in a particular nation, or why things have developed the way they have between nations and groups, experience has shown me that the best source are ambassadors. They are usually "in the know" about current events regarding their assigned country, and they have often filled me in about the actual history of any given situation, whether it be military operations or politics, or policy. They are a great source for information and the quickest way to get information. They are also often engaged in the game and aren't just two-clicking, but actually communicating. In most countries I assume its a fairly easy position to start out with, and you get both fresh players and experienced ones. Of course some nations may put more focus on ambassadors than others, but who knows.

Anyway, the group is open to both ambassadors and what I am calling Historians, people who update the wiki. It doesn't have a political goal, but it is a way to find out what is going on and provide a place to make contacts and share information. The basic idea is presented on the IKS page if you want to read some more. It's open to any citizen from any country that is either an active wiki user or an official ambassador of any country. The only real requirement is to regularly update the wiki and to try to be as accurate as possible. Ambassadors are only temporarily in the group while they serve their term, editors are in as long as they are active, but any editor who reaches Uber-editor status may gain lifetime membership in the group. Its still in the early stages, so if anyone wants to help me with getting the project off the ground, that would be great.

Like all groups, it might work, or might not. Really depends on participation. Anyway, the idea is to try and informally merge the wiki and the game by forming a social group that plays on both. Let me know if you're interested in joining, or have some ideas for improving the concept. Thanks. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   01:36, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

I would be very interested in joining this, its a great idea and might want to get other people involved. -- Mikhail Alexander 00:00, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

[1] You can count on me if you want some help, or need something. As you, what I love from eRep is the fact that you can change the history, and what I like from the wiki is that you can know how others changed the history. ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 07:31, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

This is a great idea. Count me in :) • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 13:19, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

Count me in ;-) ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 10:37, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

Anyone who is interested (and hasn't already) can sign-up on Talk:I Kill Spies. Kinda using that as a start point. We are still forming the group, but I plan to open it up to ambassadors through forums, media, etc., in the coming days. I already have some ambassadors and regional chiefs (on the USA side) interested in getting involved, but not all of them are as active in the wiki yet. Would like to get this thing fully international, so if you got contacts, feel free to invite them. Still formulating things, not in a terrible hurry, but anyone interested is welcome to jump on board. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   23:12, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

RegionLink

I've created a template that shows the owner of the region and a link to it, also, if it's occupied it shows it's original owner. It updates automatically, thanks to sampo's Template:Regions/Owners (thx) Here are some examples:
Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), Indiana, old region of USA
Romania, Moldova
also you can change the name:
United Arab Emirates, Crişana, old region of Romania
The code:

{{RegionLink|region|altname=alternative name}}

link: Template:RegionLink What do you think, should it be added? ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 08:25, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

Added to where? -- sampo555 | Talk 07:53, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

I would also like to know that is every owner right in the list of regions original owners? -- sampo555 | Talk 07:57, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

Yes I checked it twice, if there is any bug you are free to leave a message on Template talk:RegionLink and to be added on pages. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 08:24, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

I was just thinking that Belea was supposed to get me the list from tech guys but no answer from them yet. I'll use this list in the region template then. -- sampo555 | Talk 08:55, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

I think this may be useful in {{Neighbors}} template -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 05:21, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

New Neighbours template

I've created 1 here: User:McKayRO/Template:Neighbours it uses regionlink and (of course) it shows the original owner if occupied. Should we change the current one? ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:36, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

I've created similar thing here, the question is if we should replace it. +1 for replacing it. -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 07:02, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

Ah, I forgot, test of my new template here -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 08:10, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

SVG fail

File:Red_cross.svg

It's a simple red cross. Something must be wrong with the wiki settings :[ • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 05:37, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

Yes, it IS wrong, Wiki Gods can't fix this for around 6 months if I recall correctly? Also, a bit of googling says it's because some libraries are missing, see here -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 07:00, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

Continent articles

The erep API has a continent entry for countries (or was it regions). Ontop of that, some challenges are continent-specific. Might it be worth creating continent articles? • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 07:01, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 Pro, wy not inform the citizens? ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 10:07, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

• Africa
• Asia
• Australia (continent)
• Europe
• North America
• South America

) • John F. Baker Talk   Royal Navy 03:53, 22 May 2011 (PDT)

I Don't like so much the idea, mostly because it has not a real use, maybe API notes their continents (BTW if notes Australia as a Continent, for gosh sake fix it :V), but in facts they don't say so much info about anything. For example this Australia (continent) and this Australia has not much sense, they are the same thing. Maybe it could be added to the Template:Country as an aditional info, i think that could be better :P.--Santirub ● «say me hi :3» 21:48, 22 May 2011 (PDT)

I would change Australia to Oceania (including Indo, New Zealand, ect.), though technically not a continent per say. Overall I'm not sure how useful these might be, but they certainly can't hurt. Would rather have these as regional zones for classification purposes, similar to this. But ultimately I'm not sure eRep recognizes continental regions in the same way. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   01:09, 23 May 2011 (PDT)

Although it would be logical to do so, I get the feeling that going against the official erep info would be us trying to distort what the game says it is, if you get what I mean. • John F. Baker Talk   Royal Navy 05:33, 23 May 2011 (PDT)

Quicksilver's Ghost???

I don't think this should be on the wiki. It's kinda biased. What do you think? For expressing opinion there is the [forum.erepublik.com Forum]. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 10:37, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

-1 It's a valid citizen account; we can't censor things. What we can do, is prevent the article from being biased and falsifying information • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 12:44, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

Funny that this suggestion comes from a rival country, or? Can it be because of this? You talk about biased? Why do you not go and complain about all the biased, insulting Dioism articles that make fun of people? --Aryamehr talk 14:52, 17 May 2011 (PDT)

It is not biased, therefore it has every right to be on wiki. Rowan Quigley IS biased personally against me, so his edits should be undone. If it was good enough for Belea, then it is good enough, period. http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/User_talk:Quicksilver--Quicksilver 03:33, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

btw, can one ask a page to be protected - from biased wiki (uber) editors? --Quicksilver 03:44, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

I've never seen a protected page before. Are there any? As for the article, if it is about an active account and conforms to MoS, then it is valid. Would like to know why the Quicksilver account was banned though, because it is a big focus of the article, but technically I guess it isn't required. There does appear to be some bias in the use of words like "unfairly", because no details about the ban are presented to support that claim. Terms like "unfairly" and some parts of the "voice of resentment" section could use some rewording to become NPOV, but the page itself shouldn't be removed if it can be improved. The history shows a lot of reverts over bias tags, which do appear to be valid tags and I see no bias from Rowan for placing them there. It just reads one-sided, and before even checking the history I was noting some bias written into parts of the article myself. No reason to get offended by some in-line tags, they are just used to point out problems that could be corrected. A little rewording should be able to fix them. McKayRO has a point though, the wiki is not for voicing opinion. State the case and let readers draw the conclusion. Its the best way to remove the {{neutrality}} tag too. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   04:40, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

I repeat: “ It looks all right from my point of view. Thank you! ” (Belea) (see the talk page)

Therefore I see no reason to reword anything. The page is only stating facts. --Quicksilver 05:13, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Quicksilver, what I said is my POV, I didn't do that to offence you, nor because you are on a rival country (didn't know). That is my POV, For example I wouldn't be happy as a admin seeing that written. Nothing more... ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 06:16, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Talk is cheap, McKayRO. The page is valid. Nuff said.--Quicksilver 06:43, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

On top of that I meant to improve the article, not to delete it. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 06:46, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

First of all that is not an article - that is a citizen page, mine. Secondly, it is quite fine, thank you, I doubt that you know Quicksilver's Ghost better than me. Thirdly, it is not opinion, but fact - and you can hardly improve facts. --Quicksilver 07:10, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Citizen Pages are open to editing, though most people are cool about working with the player who created them. You might be confusing them with User pages, there is a difference. Also, just because Belea (or any editor for that matter) says this or that, does not mean the article can't be improved. Nor does it mean that it cannot be edited to make it NPOV and it is forever permanently locked from editing. Using words like "unfairly" clearly caries bias unless there is additional information to support it. You could even change it to read something like, "Quicksilver felt the ban was unfair ... ect." and that might work. There are also claims in the "voice of resentment" sections that need support. As it stands, it reads as if it is stating fact, but there is no support for those facts in the article. Did the admins feel the Quicksilver ban was unfair as well? If so, you might have grounds for the claim. Obviously there are two sides to the story - whatever those may be - but someone reading it is not going to know that unless they are included. If you don't feel it needs rewording, then that's ok. But don't get upset if other editors modify the article. And yes, they can edit that page. But it is best to discuss things instead of getting into a revert war, which might even lead to account suspension/deletion. Besides it will just end up with ugly tags all over it, and nobody likes to see those either. If the article said something like, "Quicksilver was rightfully banned" and didn't state why, I'd feel the same way. You just need to elaborate more, that's all. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   07:50, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

The matter is elaborated in the Quicksilver page, where it needs to be elaborated - you only need to click on it and to read. And yes, I know that anyone can edit pages. But as it is about a person, I can hardly think that anyone can improve it who doesn't even know the person. The fact that Quicksilver was banned totally unfairly is proved in that page, and I don't think it needs to be repeated here too. This page is not about Quicksilver, but about Quicksilver's Ghost, and what she thinks of matters is a fact - nobody knows it better than me. And finally - Belea is an admin and the fact that he did not find anything questionable in the things written, that is an added proof for their truthfulness. In fact he apologised to me on the chat for this very thing, further proving what he thought about the unfairness of the ban. There are no two sides in this story: only truth and lies. I wrote the truth - admins wrote the lies about nonexisting flaming and other alleged law-breaking - that I have proved wrong to them too. As for the revert-war it was Rowan Quigley, who - as many editors know - hates me and wants to have his revenge by this (check the talk page, it is not me saying that!).--Quicksilver 08:03, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

One last thing I want to add. These quotes are from the last e-mail in which an admin said this about my ban: "Was your penalty applied fairly? Most probably not" and "Were you mistreated by this ban? Probably you were". This admin was not employed by erep when I was banned, and so saw it more clearly than the ones involved. This admin then went on to explain that I was not unbanned because instead of lying down like a whipped slave, I dared to stand up for my truth and loudly tell it everywhere - and they could not allow their own unfairness to became general knowledge. Is it proof enough for you now, Citizen 6?--Quicksilver 10:12, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Can you provide quotes for that last part? What is the name (citizen name or real name) of the person you are quoting? Is this evidence referenced in your article(s) on this wiki? • John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 11:59, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Are you implying that I lied? --Quicksilver 12:19, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

No, I'm asking for references to that last part of what you said, which I'd say is pretty normal for a referenced encyclopaedia.

Can you provide quotes for that last part? What is the name (citizen name or real name) of the person you are quoting? Is this evidence referenced in your article(s) on this wiki?

• John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 13:48, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

I won't quote a whole e-mail for you. You are neither a jury, nor my judge to demand either that or the name of my correspondence. I have provided proof for the debated page, and that is all you shall ask. If two separate admins' words are not enough for you that is not my problem; it is yours, and your demand goes far beyond what wiki requires. It seems to me that you too are doing this also because of a personal dislike of me. --Quicksilver 14:06, 18 May 2011 (PDT)'

Listen, I don't know you personally, and tbh, I don't even know "of you". The only reason I recognise your name is because of your constant bawww'ing on this wiki. Stop your self-centred everyone is against me ;-; routine and communicate normally.

I'm asking, because you say the admin said these things, and you plaster them across your wiki pages, and yet you seem to be too touchy to reference the strongly biased sections of your pages. I'm asking as an everyday wiki editor, and you shall not tell me what I can and cannot ask.

You're only making enemies for yourself by constantly portraying yourself (and wrongly) as a victim on these wiki discussion pages. I think you forget we are all erepublik players, and we all have grudges of varying proportions against the admins.

Can we please just work collaboratively to deliver a well documented and fair description of this game, and not with some non-cited paranoia that we're all working against each other, nor with any pretentious beliefs that people dislike others without any basis for such ideas?

• John F Baker Talk   Royal Navy 15:13, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

So the fully proved sections of my page are biased again? Why? I have cited all the proof you as a wiki editor need. I don't have to quote references for something that is NOT ON THE PAGE, now, am I? Because that is what you demanded, the 'last part', which was about the reason for not unbanning me. Check the page, there is nothing about that there... so why do I have to quote you a private e-mail for it? The part about unfair banning is proved by two admins' words, the rest is completely in line with that, so what else is there to prove? You see, this is why I consider your conduct against me personally: because your demand goes far beyond what can be expected from a supposedly neutral wiki editor. As for me being the subject of debate all the time... have I started this debate at all? Of course not! But once attacked, I chose to defend my truth, just as I did against admins. And I will always do so, no matter how derogatory you call it - it only shows that you are neither impartial, nor fair. If you have grudges against admins, then why are you not believing what I say about them - what some of them say about themselves? How the fuck can I reference an e-mail to the wiki? Shall I paste it here fully, just to be cited to court for disclosing a private conversation? Would that make you happy so they can delete the full page for it? You see, I wrote nothing but the truth, proved it here, an admin affirmed it, another's words also prove it - and it is still not enough for you? What would be enough? From your conduct, I guess nothing... and as for Rowan Quigley hating me, I will find you the chatlog - again, as you too has seen it, only chose to forget I guess. So much for non-cited paranoia... --Quicksilver 23:18, 18 May 2011 (PDT)

Quicksilver you have to understand 1 thing. To prove something you must give links, or rarely screenshots. I can also tell you I am Obama, but I am not. And I think Belea told you it's ok with the length, he is very busy, so i doubt he had the time to read the whole article, maybe he just read some keywords, and the fact that you are so easily offended when we say what you have to do to prove something right may express you have no references, I am not trying to incriminate you, I am saying that in a discussion like this you must be open to suggestions, OK? We are discussing here about your article, because the words may insult somebody, not because you had done something bad, I can't say neither that you are banned for a reason, nor unfair. I, like every reader of the wiki, have no reference to see if it is right. So in conclusion, we are discussing the article and the words like dictatura and cenzorship, and to have a fact you were banned unfairly. I think Belea would have a final word on this discussion. In the meantime you can link to your newspaper page and forum account to see you were not flaming, this will end this discussion. WE ARE TRYING TO COLLABORATE NOT TO START A EDIT WAR II. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 04:29, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

So you DO say that I lied. Well, I did not. But it seems no ammount of proof is enough for you either. You even question what Belea himself wrote, well, now what the hell would you accept as proof if not that????????????? How can you call collaboration, when you do not accept anything that I write, say, quote or link??????????????--Quicksilver 04:52, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

You MUST give us a link, not quotes. For emails, give us a screenshot. After that the discussion is over, and just delete dictatura and censorship and it's done! ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:10, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

I do not delete dictatura and cenzorship, because erep is such. The deleted forum topics prove it. --Quicksilver 05:13, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

And BTW John F Baker one of the (citizen 6 also) eRepublik Official Wiki:Uber Editors, e has dealt with situations like this, he knows how to end this discussion, but you must collaborate with us ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 04:34, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

Is fact that John F Baker is Uber Editor changing anything? -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 04:55, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

He should show more respect, and Jan has more experience, he shouldn't exclude Jan's opinion. Also, Quicksilver should not hide under his sentimentalism and understand that we are not accusing him, but we are trying to make something neutral. If he could just change the words in that page, the discussion would be ended, and as a conclusion i am not questioning Belea's opinion, i am saying he was discussing with quicksilver about the length of the article, not the content. LOL i forgot to write my signature again, i am completely not careful. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:05, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

I answered everything that you and him questioned, proved what I wrote on that page, and you still blame me? Well, I show no more respect towards you McKayRo, because you completely ignore what I write. I will not rewrite the page, because it is truth, and I provided every necessary proof for it. It is sad that erep is such, but it is so. BTW I did not excluded' his opinion, quite the opposite, I answered him fully, unlike you to me for example.--Quicksilver 05:11, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

I AM NOT BLAMING YOU. I am trying to show you that dictatura and chensorship are not appropriate words in a wiki, would you like if someone tells that about you, I don't think so, because you are angry just because we asked for references. You have to understand that every article you publish is free to edit. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:14, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

So you still ignore every proof I say, and vote to delete my article. Well, curse on you too just like on Rowan Quigley, who also ignores everything I write, and votes out of his hatred. --Quicksilver 05:34, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

Ok, you got my atention, you proved me you wre banned unfairly, prove me the admins use consorship and dicatura, and i am at your side ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:37, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

Vote subpage

#1

Who is for deleting the dictatura and censorship and leave the rest of the page as it is: Do not vote until he proves us the admin use dictatura and censorship.!

+1 for me ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:23, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 -- Mikhail Alexander 05:25, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

Vote cancelled, we will take it again after he explains last part, the other vote is open ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:39, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

I proved it. Conclusively. (and I am a she, not a he)--Quicksilver 05:58, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

So?--Quicksilver 07:34, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

Unless somebody has something to say against, I think you won. Good Job! ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 22:29, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

I have nothing to say against this - and I am not trying to be rude now - but McRayRO, are you going to continue hunting for biased pages? Can I trust you that you will do this, and next go through the biased dioism religious pages that brings the level of this wiki down with their insulting? --Aryamehr talk 05:58, 21 May 2011 (PDT)

I don't know what you're trying to say:P, but if you check my user page you would see i am a dioist:P ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 06:32, 21 May 2011 (PDT)

#2

Who is for deleting unfairly and leave the rest of the page as it is:

-1 for me, quicksilver proved that he was banned unfairly ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:23, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

New Religion

What are the requirements for one? ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 05:50, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

EREP:REL -- sampo555 | Talk 06:36, 19 May 2011 (PDT)

Not good for wiki visitors

I think this sentence should be removed , the wiki is not VERY outdated any more Ali Emami talk to me 05:24, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

I agree and this makes it not a very friendly place to visit for newbies. -- Mikhail Alexander 05:35, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

It was added there when the articles really were outdated but I didn't have time (don't read: I forgot :D) to change it back. Fixed. -- sampo555 | Talk 07:03, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

Creating a page for fictional countries on the mainspace

People have been making countries pages on the wiki of countries that don't exist yet for a while now, even myself whose been making one for San Marino. Can we make a page on the mainspace where people can see these pages, add to them and just have a bit of fun. The wiki has become very serious over the last few years and this can loosen us up a bit. It will be fun and get people involved in adding country campaigns. What do you guys say? Here is a list of the countries who are on the wiki:

• Malta
• User:Emorfion/Monaco
• User:Bence_Csordas/Luxembourg
• User:Emorfion/Lebanon
• Albania
• User:Logamac/Andorra
• User:Archangel_Uriel/Tunisia
• User:Mikhail_Alexander/Projects/San_Marino
• User:Thomas_Gorzkiewski/Antarctica
• User:Mikhail_Alexander/Projects/Faroe_Islands
• Iceland
• User:Fhaemita_Malodorous/Greenland

-- Mikhail Alexander 05:41, 25 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 -- Mikhail Alexander 05:41, 25 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 I do like the idea of grouping all of these as-yet-unestablished-ingame countries on the wiki, instead of scattering them around on userpages. The IKS for one, sets it's HQs in unestablished countries. It'd also stop people duplicating these things. Obviously, we would stop before another Avataronia thing occured; its not an actual country on earth :P

Maybe have an article Fictional countries, and link to each country as a sub-article? • John F. Baker Talk   Royal Navy 05:45, 25 May 2011 (PDT)

-1 - Even though it is amazing that people do this. I disagree. The wiki is supposed to be serious. It is not supposed to be filled with fictional information, tales and stories (like today...). The purpose of it is that people can get game information and such. These countries do not exist. It can confuse new players. Now I am not saying that these should be disallowed, but I am saying that these should not appear on the mainspace. It can easily get out of hand with a ton of fictional countries. What happens if the country shows up? Will all the fictional information be deleted? What's the point then?. I believe there are more disadvantages than advantages. Please note again - it is great work, but it does not belong to mainspace. --Aryamehr talk 14:20, 25 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 From the beginning, the wiki have will to have fictional content, to be erepublik and more. At least it's what Belea teach me past years here :). To be serious is only a part of the wiki, there is more to do :), so a big +1 for me. ~~ Azaret déjame un mensaje (: 03:11, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

+1 I always fell in love with fictional things. eRepublik itself is not that intersting anymore since the possibilites you have are shortened day by day and the role-play & community makes this game still fun for me. not allowing fictional things would lead just create more boredom. -- Freiheitskaempfer | Talk 10:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• -1 - I couldn't care less about fictional content. All I know about them that they create arguments and if we allow some exceptions, people will want more and before we even knew, there's only peoples dreams in the wiki. But it's communitys decision - not mine. -- sampo555 | Talk 05:57, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

This is also another reason. The more fictional content get recognized the sooner this wiki will only be filled with stupid stories and tales, just like today. Fictional content is also used easily to insult other people. --Aryamehr talk 06:18, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

"Fictional content is also used easily to insult other people" -- Im sorry, but that's a terrible excuse.

We moderate what people put on the wiki and remove insulting comments from regular articles, and I don't see why fictional content would be an exception. Ontop of that, can you reference any fictional country pages that insult anyone, or any fictional content at all (other than the Dio stuff) that really insults anyone?

"people will want more and before we even knew, there's only peoples dreams in the wiki" -- Again, we've defined this proposal as the creation of a Fictional countries page, for as-yet-uncreated countries, not fairy tale countries like Avataronia or Atlantis (country).

If you're annoyed with fictional content, go look at George Lemnaru's article, section modelling :/ • John F. Baker Talk   Royal Navy 08:11, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

"We moderate what people put on the wiki and remove insulting comments from regular articles, and I don't see why fictional content would be an exception" Well apparently you haven't because there are plenty of pages that do this. On a side note I am curious why dio pages are an exception? Let's sart by fixing those pages first. There are a lot of citizen pages that are fictional and insulting as well.

What is the point of fictional pages of not yet created countries? What would they contain? Whatever they contain, since it's fictional, you can be sure there will be always someone who is against it. Let's take [[User:Logamac/Andorra] as example. "Current president logomac" and the logo - all decided by one person. This will 1) cause confusion among players, fictional template or not. 2) serves no purpose, if you want fictional - read a book or go to somebodys sandbox. This serves no purpose. The purpose of this wiki is not fictional content that has no relation to the game (no, Andorra does not eixst in the game - thus no relation). 3) fights because of different opinions. Perhaps I want Andorra to have another logo, who decides? 4) Useless. When the country becomes created - what will happen to the fictional information? Will it be removed? Will the authors agree with it? Will it have different sections?

I am not annoyed with fictional content. Fictional content that is related to the game is fine, as long as it follow rules (which a lot of them today do not). We need to fix the issue with the existing ones instead of pumping out a bunch of other fictional contents. George Lemnaru has nothing against that page. The circumstances are different here as well. But remove it if you want to - I don't care. --Aryamehr talk 08:37, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

0 This is such a gray area I really don't know what would be best. I like the idea of fictional content for non-existent countries, but I could see it going whacky as being used as a precedent for content that becomes too fanciful and without consensus. Even the existing fictional countries would have to be altered significantly if those countries are added to the game at a later time. On the other hand, if you want to be technical, aren't things like the United States Armed Forces, or other military articles, fictitious in their own right. Technically they aren't recognized by an in-game mechanic as far as I know. But yet these do get full space on the wiki. I'm not opposed to something like a Fictitious Countries article to use as a springboard, but we would need some pretty well laid out policies about it, and it should not be used as an argument for fictional content outside the scope of what the article is designed for. We could be opening the wiki up to some problems. Either way, I'm not sure the fictitious country articles should be included as part of the wiki namespace, but I'd be willing to look at a single springboard article, because fictitious content is part of what the wiki is about - but only to a degree. The question is where we draw the line. This is a tough one. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   03:59, 27 May 2011 (PDT)

I'm developing User:McKayRO/Sandbox/Fictional countries. Feel free to improve, It has no biased data at all. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 00:55, 29 May 2011 (PDT)

Selected biographies

See: Portal:Main_Page/Nominate/Selected_biography

I understand that people suggest themselves and are supposedly checked before being added. But who checks them, and who has the power to add and remove them? I'd like to see this list updated often, but I'm not sure whether I'm "allowed" to touch it :P • John F. Baker Talk   Royal Navy 05:19, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Good that you brought it up, even though I believe nobody reads the main page (could be wrong) --Aryamehr talk 05:24, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I say that Ubers and Sysops can add new ones. So go ahead. When you add them, check if the page really is worth mentioning at homepage. -- sampo555 | Talk 05:51, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Country Maps and borders

I'm noticing a fair number of countries that are using maps showing "current" borders as their official Country_Map, including conquered non-original territories. What is the policy on this? It seems to me that the official country map of each nation should be one that only shows that countries original regions, and not adjustable to show conquered territories, or to show lost ones. My belief is based upon the fact that often these maps are updated at first, but eventually become unmaintained. Shouldn't they be only original territories, regardless of the current borders? -- Citizen 6 _Talk   04:25, 27 May 2011 (PDT)

• +1 for original regions. -- sampo555 | Talk 06:24, 27 May 2011 (PDT)
• +1 agreed in general, although with large, long-lasting empires, it would make sense to me to see that map, instead of the original. • John F. Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 07:44, 27 May 2011 (PDT)

Perhaps those types of maps should be inserted into the country's history section under a different name, just not the Country_Map? -- Citizen 6 _Talk   14:54, 27 May 2011 (PDT)

• +1 Originals regions should be the only ones shown, as countries loose regions all the time it seems a waste. Unless it is Sweden or Slovakia, who have made Unions with other countries. They should show up. -- Mikhail Alexander 02:10, 28 May 2011 (PDT)
• +1 Some time ago I added 'On the map' link under the flag, to dhow current regions. ~~ McKayRO|Say hello! 08:23, 28 May 2011 (PDT)
• +1 I totally agree with you, finally a German map on the german wikipage. -- Freiheitskaempfer | Talk 12:00, 29 May 2011 (PDT)

Seems like a healthy consensus on this for the most part. Should this be included in the MoS (I don't know where it would fit in, maybe under the upload MoS?), or should we just do some self-policing? -- Citizen 6 _Talk   23:05, 30 May 2011 (PDT)