Talk:Iran/Archives 1

Alright, my organization for the day is complete.

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I'm going to get started on the history portion soon.

Generations:

• -1st Generation: /b/tards
• -2nd Generation: Include Koroush, Inchimige, myself and other early eIranians
• -3rd Generation: Include Izirbat, kpars, Pasdar, Sina, etc.
• -4th Generation: nsmnavid, President Ahmadi Nejad, etc.
• -5th Generation: ???

History:

• -Dec: /b/tard occupation, rise of Koroush
• -Jan: Early Koroush Presidency
• -Feb: Beginning of Controversy, rise of opposition
• -Mar - May: Iran's rise to prominence, increasing controvery, departure of Koroush, etc.
• -May: Present

// Shakir Nasrollah

I will also help you Shakir - //Aryamehr

Neutrality

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// to Aryamehr

why did you say i bought Sourena's newspaper expensive and sell to him cheap, any reason? --Mojtabaw 21:20, 17 September 2008 (BST)
Hi. Due to the various corrupted acts by you, this was very suspicious as you had already done many deals with him during your presidency. A lot of things, as you can see in the screenshot hints to that. --Aryamehr talk 21:28, 17 September 2008 (BST)

while you are not in iran how you can say about my job in iran? in this way of talking you just make the iran face just look worse.

i paid 1900 IRR to Gonde to buy a Q4 Hospital and the mayor that bought the hospital just paid 100 IRR from the mayor money.

and for the money that i used from Iran budget. i made 2 q4 Hospital. I was the first president that promissed for 3 Q4 hospital and i did it. and i prepared Iran for the war. Now the president has 2 Other Hospital that i had promissed to Iran.

and Other Irr i used it was because of the salary of workers of Hospitals. and i had to pay some money to ministers to do their jobs...! for example i Payed Pahlavi and he changed it to the gifts and send it to the whom was in need. i paied to Sourena and they prove their skills and buy some guns...

now you instead of being thanked, u accuse me ? -Mojtabaw 21:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Because I was at Iran at that time.

Why did you pay 1900 IRR? Why not 1 IRR then buy it for 1 IRR? You didn't make 2 Q4 hospitals, I never saw you have a lot of employees to work and make Q4 hospitals. If so, can you show anything to verify that? You were not the first. What war?

The pahlavi one I accept, but not the Sourena one. --Aryamehr talk 21:58, 17 September 2008 (BST)

i used to buy the sourena newspaper for 1 IRR and then sell him with same price because he wanted to go out of iran. the last time that he sell his newspaper and bought new newspaper, he sold it 100 IRR.

i paied 2900 IRR to Gonde because the hospital is not mine.., it owns buy Gonde and his Co-Manager. the Price is this and maybe more than that and i also bought it cheaper.

if you were in Iran, you didn't see any body and that is why i said when you are not known you can not write with out knowledge.

take a look at http://www.erepublik.com/employees_list-0-42731.html at the employee of here in their profile you can see that most of them had been worked in IRANHospital 1 & 2. a notification article was sent is possible in my articles.

and from sourena you can see the donations, and what did he do with the money. http://www.erepublik.com/user_donations-331802-20.html

some of the donations are about that we are Co-Managers. and it doesn't related to my presidency. and all of them know and you can see MSSO that means Mojtaba and Sourena SO and it applied in the Forum.

Iran Hospital 2 has a one q4 stock http://www.erepublik.com/company-8852.html

Iran hospital 1 http://www.erepublik.com/company-116172.html

-Mojtabaw 22:36, 17 September 2008 (BST)

"i used to buy the sourena newspaper for 1 IRR and then sell him with same price because he wanted to go out of iran. the last time that he sell his newspaper and bought new newspaper, he sold it 100 IRR." can you back that up though? You had already done corrupted acts so it was obvious that you wanted to move. Sourena did not move, the pic does not show him coming back or anything. Where did he go? What did he do?

"i paied 2900 IRR to Gonde because the hospital is not mine.., it owns buy Gonde and his Co-Manager. the Price is this and maybe more than that and i also bought it cheaper. " What? The hospital is not yours, but you gave 2900 IRR from the treasury of Iran for what? I didn't understand, please repeat this.

"if you were in Iran" I was already in Iran.

The hospital one has already been taken care of.

Co-managers or not, if it does not releate to your presidency then why is the money missing from the treasury? why did you do deals with him with your government SO? why did you not write anything about it? you are not supposed to do these things when your president as it raises supiciousness.

--Aryamehr talk 13:28, 19 September 2008 (BST)

If you have eyes then you can see this page . This is profile of Sourena . http://www.erepublik.com/profile-331802.html He did move to Turkey , Pakistan , Argentina , Sweden and Mexico . You can see some company are in other country that Sourena worked for them . In Economic history section : Armeria HT , Tre Kronor , GreatWeapons (Q4) And also you can see the accounts .

I paied 2900 IRR to Gonde for buying a stock from him. it was a q4 hospital. And i passed it to Mashhad city. I said again if you was in iran you can see this article .I described it to all people . http://www.erepublik.com/article-576412.html

I have not goverment SO . I bought tow company hospitals for Iran . I passed them to atilaa after presidency .

Iran Hospital 2 has a one q4 stock http://www.erepublik.com/company-8852.html

Iran hospital 1 http://www.erepublik.com/company-116172.html

I told again to u all of them . I change the text of about me . If you have a problem you can improve it . if you delete my text then i will talk with admin . The admin did see my text about my self and i did show it to admin .

-Mojtabaw 21:12, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Well, that's still not evidence that he moved out at that time. I will look up Sourena.

2900 IRR to Gonde, why did you donate it to him? Why not just ask him to put out a Q4 hospital and then pay the money to a mayor to buy it?

Yes, you had government OS. The hospital one, that you passed to atilaa as you said.

Talk with admin. Nothing is changing until this is over.--Aryamehr talk 21:54, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Because i like to donate to him . Do you have problem with this ? Admin can check this and tell you . I talked to him . You can not change my text . If you have problem you can improve it. -Mojtabaw 19:44, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Yes. I have a problem with you taking 2900 IRR out of Irans money and not telling exactly why you did it, where it went, how etc.

Tell me what you want changed in the text and I will fit it in there. --Aryamehr talk 20:33, 20 September 2008 (BST)

I described it to all . u can see it . http://www.erepublik.com/article-576412.html -Mojtabaw 16:27, 21 September 2008 (BST)

No. I am not looking at some article, I want you to write in English so everyone can see what you want, where you want changed and your response to everything. Stop changing the page also unless you want to be punished. --Aryamehr talk 14:48, 22 September 2008 (BST)

I have answered to u for tow times. If you cant understand it's your problem . -Mojtabaw 20:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)

No, it's not my problem that you can't speak english. I said once and I will said it again. "No. I am not looking at some article, I want you to write in English so everyone can see what you want, where you want changed and your response to everything." --Aryamehr talk 22:01, 22 September 2008 (BST)

I paied 2900 IRR to Gonde for buying a stock from him. it was a q4 hospital. And i passed it to Mashhad city -Mojtabaw 07:07, 24 September 2008 (BST)

But you are not answering the other things. Why did you donate it to him and why not give it to the mayor to buy the hospital?
 ::Anyway, this is not just about the hospital
Please, read this again and do this:

I want you to write in English so everyone can see what you want, where you want changed and your response to everything. --Aryamehr talk 03:55, 27 September 2008 (PDT)

Some ideas

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“ After a few days of his leadership, his personal wealth suddenly became bigger as he had four more companies and five export licenses to different countries, ”

Evidence or remove it. Can you prove that the companies were owned by him and not by SOs of Iran? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Yes. Check [1] , it says "Owned by: Mojtabaw" or "Owner:Mojtabaw" can't remember. Insert non-formatted text here

“ a brand new Q4 house and that he started to donate large amount of IRR to his close friends[13] [14] [15] [16] [17]. ”

Evidence that those people are "close friends" of mojtabaw or remove it. Also, how do you know that those people weren't ministers in need of money? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Rephrased it. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

“ Mojtabaw continued to donate more and more money to himself and his friends, ”

Again close friends? Evidence that they are close friends or remove it. --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Rephrased it. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

“ at one point a civilian named gonde got 2900 IRR from mojtabaw and his ministers (except for Reza Pahlavi) who have no use for money get 500 IRR weekly. ”

Babelfish. Either you make a coherent phrase out of it or remove it. --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

What? You going to remove something that was not properly written? Sorry Belea, I don't have as good English as you. We can talk together and propose a change. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

“ Mojtabaw also laundered money ”

Biased. Can you say for certain that he did this thing? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Rephrased it. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

“ who was supposed to build Q4 hospitals for the country ”

Source for this? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Not really, I can't prove it so I will remove it. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

but i can prove it ! Mojtabaw built 2 hospital on in Mashad and Shiraz --Dady jabery17 08:14, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Learn to use wiki and write properly. Your witness does not count. --Aryamehr talk 08:33, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Afraid to answer? i know Enough to write a thing that you cannot say the answer ! Dady jabery17

“ using the government OS he donated large sums of gold to a civilian named Sourena and used the newspaper-buying/selling trick where mojtabaw bought the newspaper of Sourena for a high amount of gold and then sold it back to him again for little IRR to cover traces. ”

Evidence for this "trick"? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

See the reference and see how it's worded. Mojtabaw says he denies it.

“ Mojtabaw printed high amounts of IRR to later put them in the monetary market for exchange to gold. At one point 50,000 IRR was printed worth 1650 gold, around 500 gold was missing from the treasury, again mojtabaw was accused of corruption because of this and there was no sign of mojtabaw. ”

Evidence? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Mojtabaw himself said that 500 were used for hospital creation, so he admits that 500 was missing. Starting one hospital company and upgrading to quality 4 does not cost 500 Gold, at most let's say 300 Gold. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

no the 2 hospital with 4 Quality upgrade would cost 360 Golds.

40 for buying + Q1 upgrade 20 Gold + Q2 upgrade 50 Gold + Q3 70 Gold = 170 * 2 = 360 GOLD !

and other money paid for upgrading the employee and other things... ! --Dady jabery17 08:30, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Learn to use wiki and write properly. It has 1 hospital, not two. --Aryamehr talk 08:33, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

It was 2 and one of them delivered to Iran by Atilaa (next president) ! Dady jabery17

“ Pakistan started insulting Iran and the Iranian people along with Islam. They started an official newspaper in Iran to 'educate Iranians' however their articles was insulting and threatening to the Iranians. Mojtabaw did not respond to this and ignored it. [25] [26] [27] ”

Evidence that the government of Pakistan was the one that insulted Iranian people. --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Gigglyomicron was the owner of the company, named SHODAN and he is part of the government. He used to have access to the National SO (government owned, company with over 50% of the countrys employees). I can back this up. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Giggily is not actively involved in Pakistan's government. You should look further into the way PSP is maintained.

I'll have to ask that this quote be changed or removed. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 11:46, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

“ After the scandals of this government and the presidency of mojtabaw, he was never elected twice even though he ran for general elections. ”

Isn't mojtabaw the president of Iran in October? --Belea2008 07:20, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

That was for the September month. --Aryamehr talk 07:52, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

PS: You don't come and ask for evidence after 2 months, yet you have seen this page the days I created it. Why didn't you come asking for evidence that day?

yes i talked to him many times... ! i show him many proof that they are not correct ! there is 2 article that want him to change the content and 1 forum article ! forum thread and in articles that became Top rated article but he answered and said bad words to us article1 but he did not accept it ! and if the people think he is bad person, why they choose them again?

The wiki would change to another way, i mean more graphical and more beauty --Dady jabery17 07:31, 3 October 2008 (PDT) 07:29, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Mojtabaw READ!

I have always said I am willing to change all information about you as long as you discuss with me.
I told you to make a list with what you awnted removed, changed and your own version of the whole story but you refused to give it to me.
Belea asked for source on a few matters and we are already discussing about this, there is no need to continue reverting!

I am reverting because; 1- You write things that should go into your profile.
2- Your english is not so good and people won't understand.
3- It's biased, me changing the flag is not a mistake!.

And no, this is not my page only! But I want those who change this page to talk to me seeing that I am one of the major contributors and the first Iranian to join this game with the most information! --Aryamehr talk 10:09, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

"But I want those who change this page to talk to me seeing that I am one of the major contributors and the first Iranian to join this game with the most information!"

That is not how a Wiki works. Even if it did, you really should reciprocate in turn and end your pettiness with Pakistan over something that happened nearly a year ago now. --astroRANGER 20:55, 6 October 2008 (PDT)

A quick update: Mojtabaw wants me to ask him questions and magically know what he disagrees with, when I again, tell him to tell me what he finds wrong so we can discuss it. Also, another thing is that I wrote the BOTH sides opinion. I don't know what else his problem is? I said what he says, and what his opponents say. What else? Can someone else try to help and ask him what he wants really? As I said, I am ready to remove things but if someone just wants to have edit wars I will have that too. Be nice, I will be ultra-nice to you. Be bad to me, I will be very bad to you. --Aryamehr talk 10:24, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Admin has changed all things . And lock it because of you . I agree with i can not speak good English language . but u don't permit write mistake about me . I described all your question. but u want to try write again after admin correct that . Aryamehr , you write some things about me without talking in talk page so it's not correct . I want from admin that we create a new page like Turkey . there is not history . dear Admin , some of people are in Iran want's to change our wiki . -Mojtabaw 10:39, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

What admin changed, I just fixed it up a bit. We have both side of the opinions. You don't want anyone to think bad of you. Lock it because of me, LOL. I am the only one here trying to solve this through the talk page.

I have no questions; you must tell me what you want changed! You can't just go on and revert, tell me what you wanted remove and why! No, there are going to be history here. It's just like some people want this and some people want that, this is a wiki. --Aryamehr talk 11:04, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

sorry , u must permit from me and after that u can write somethings about me . u wrote somethings without any discussion. What don't try other some people to change it ? because u . u write just any things that u like !!!!!!!!!! If u try again to change it . I think admin locks it . so don't write any thins . many citizens can write there . many citizen can correct ur wrong . -Mojtabaw 22:30, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

I don't understand a thing. Can you please write more calmly and try to use better English so I can understand what you are trying to say? --Aryamehr talk 04:27, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

Alright, my organization for the day is complete.

I'm going to get started on the history portion soon.

Generations:

• -1st Generation: /b/tards
• -2nd Generation: Include Koroush, Inchimige, myself and other early eIranians
• -3rd Generation: Include Izirbat, kpars, Pasdar, Sina, etc.
• -4th Generation: nsmnavid, President Ahmadi Nejad, etc.
• -5th Generation: ???

History:

• -Dec: /b/tard occupation, rise of Koroush
• -Jan: Early Koroush Presidency
• -Feb: Beginning of Controversy, rise of opposition
• -Mar - May: Iran's rise to prominence, increasing controvery, departure of Koroush, etc.
• -May: Present

// Shakir Nasrollah

I will also help you Shakir - //Aryamehr

Regions

I am working on the region pages for Iran. When the page is unlocked, could you add this table to Iran's regions? Some of the region names might still change based on disambiguation.

City	Region
Ahvaz	Southwestern Iran
Bandar Abbas	Hormozgan
Birjand	South Khorasan
Gorgan	Northern Iran
Isfahan	Esfahan
Kerman	Kerman Province
Mashhad	Razavi Khorasan
Semnan	Semnan
Shiraz	Fars
Tehran	Northwestern Iran
Yazd	Yazd
Zahedan	Sistan and Baluchistan

I thank you for helping me out. But there are two things for now: On the region pages, please use the normal flags as I did and just putting a Q4 hospital image looks pretty ugly, it's better to have text. Thanks.

OK, will do --QJ Lincoln 08:13, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

Thanks from admin .I want to design our page like turkey . -Mojtabaw 04:22, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

Admin , Please ban aryamehr

He has restored again his text after that u deleted all text . I want to try fix it but he dose not permit. -Mojtabaw 11:41, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

lol. fix. you haven't done a single proper contribution to this page. as soon as you became president with the help from other parties, (which i know why, you are a puppet to them which i can in fact prove with logs). you don't even know what to fix. make one proper good contribution to this page first. --Aryamehr talk 11:44, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

I dont know why this happen between Mojtabaw and Arayamehr ! --Dady jabery17 12:34, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

I still can't understand his problem. On his page, there are information from the BOTH sides. What he says, what his opponents say. But he is trying to act like an dictator here saying; "NO. ONLY WRITE GOOD STUFF ABOUT ME!" --Aryamehr talk 12:56, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

I don't see anything about the times you were accused of multiaccounting, laundering gold, or hacking other countries and presidents. Why not be fair and add both sides of your accusations to your part of Iran's history as well, rather than only doing it for everyone else? - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 14:49, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

Because you just don't go and add every time someone accuses someone of everything. You need to have some kind of base. Either way, I have already said if he sits down and explains to me nicely in a list, his response to everything in the best way he can I will remove. If he refuses too, then clearly he is hiding something. If it's going to be like that then I can go and add a list of 1000 things that you have been accused for and accuse you for more. When I for example wrote, corruption. Well, this 500 Gold is an exemple. Mojtabaw does not deny that 500 Gold was used, he claims it was used on 1 Hospital and upgraded it to Q4 and then salaries. All that together won't even be close to 500 Gold. Or that laundering money, the fact that he had donated lots to that person through his presidency, newspaper buying-selling, money going from Iran -> Mojtabaw -> Mojtabaw SO -> Sourena .. or if you want take out Iran, and many other examples. --Aryamehr talk 15:29, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

Even so, you have to understand that he sees this as a form of personal attack. The accusations are very severe, and if you want to include the scandals of all of the presidents since your service, then you may as well include your own, for posterity and fairness.

Also, out of curiosity, what have I been accused of? I don't recall anyone accusing me of anything during my time as president. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 15:50, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

Mr. Admin, was a complete wipe of the entire page necessary?

No, I don't believe so. I'm going to restore some of my pre-dispute notes for future editing.

Shakir Nasrollah 14:43, 5 October 2008 (PDT)

It's already reverting. The only reason "admin" (READ:Belea2008) did that was because he talked with mojtabaw and got filled with his propaganda. --Aryamehr talk 15:29, 5 October 2008 (PDT)