Talk:Second Baltic War

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Proposal

Just to make it clearer and easier to follow: User:Khebit/Sandbox2. Thoughts? Improvements? ||||||Khebit TC| 10:08, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

I like your way better. I'd say swap it it out. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   19:43, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

Turkey

Should the Turky/Ukraine conflict be included? China is included, so it seems it should. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   13:31, 13 May 2011 (PDT)

hmmm ... After looking it over more deeply, looks like Ukraine got bumped out of the war by Belarus, and so went after Turkey. Can't tell for sure, but seems Ukraine NEd first and launched the first attack, so ... is that conflict to be considered a part of 2Baltic, or should it be left to go its own route? -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   20:06, 13 May 2011 (PDT)
Well, China arrived to the Baltic sea, Turkey didn't :/ ||||||Khebit TC| 04:31, 14 May 2011 (PDT)
I'm not sure that should matter, any war could expand beyond an original area. I don't think Ukraine even reached the Baltic Sea. I think it has more to do with alliances, not place. Anyway though, if Turkey had attacked (or planned) to help ONE/ABC I would say they should be in this war. If it was Ukraine being just without anyone else to attack, it is a different motive. Anyone know why Ukraine NEd, and which did it first. Looks like Ukraine did. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   13:50, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Denmark and Norway

Should Denmark and Norway be included in this war? They are eating away at Sweden. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   23:06, 14 May 2011 (PDT)

Yeah, I'll try to add it :) ||||||Khebit TC| 03:22, 15 May 2011 (PDT)

Outdated

This one needs updates in a big way. And looks like Turkey got into this by Ukraine-Turkey War then attacked Russia, so which war should that be covered under? -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   00:11, 29 May 2011 (PDT)

by region after 1273

I tried to dig these up, but can't say how accurate they are. Review and add to the article. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   00:18, 30 May 2011 (PDT)

UPDATE: Added Lat and Lith to the article up to May 29. But DOES NOT have RW. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   03:41, 8 June 2011 (PDT)


Estonia

Estonia needs to be updated from 1273. Peace with Russia on May 28-29. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   00:17, 30 May 2011 (PDT)

here is the rest from 1273. most dates are prob wrong. no resistance wars included. Battles are correct. wanted to get it up before we lose the track. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   00:08, 2 June 2011 (PDT)


Date Attacker Region Defender Result
May 16, 2011
Day 1273
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Attacker-2.png
Region-Kirde-Eesti.png Kirde-Eesti
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 17, 2011
Day 1274
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-8.png
Region-Moscow and Central Russia.png Moscow and Central Russia
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-0.png
Icon conquered.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 18, 2011
Day 1275
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-8.png
Region-Volga Vyatka.png Volga Vyatka
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-0.png
Icon conquered.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 19, 2011
Day 1276
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-1.png
Region-Urals.png Urals
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Russia.jpg
May 20, 2011
Day 1277
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Attacker-6.png
Region-Kirde-Eesti.png Kirde-Eesti
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 21, 2011
Day 1278
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-0.png
Region-Moscow and Central Russia.png Moscow and Central Russia
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Russia.jpg
May 22, 2011
Day 1279
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Attacker-0.png
Region-Kirde-Eesti.png Kirde-Eesti
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 23, 2011
Day 1280
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-0.png
Region-Moscow and Central Russia.png Moscow and Central Russia
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Russia.jpg
May 24, 2011
Day 1281
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Attacker-1.png
Region-Louna-Eesti.png Louna-Eesti
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Estonia.jpg
May 25, 2011
Day 1282
Flag-Estonia.jpg Estonia
Battle-Attacker-2.png
Region-Moscow and Central Russia.png Moscow and Central Russia
Flag-Russia.jpg Russia
Battle-Defender-8.png
Icon secured.jpg Flag-Russia.jpg

Peace on 29. then E went for Finland.

Turkey-Russia War

Is the current Turkey-Russia War part of this, or should it be covered on its own? -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   01:55, 30 May 2011 (PDT)

On it's own IMO, at least until they arrive to Northern Russia/Baltic Sea/ABC countries. Also, I'm sorry but I won't be able to keep updated the pages until 14/16 June due to RL issues. ||||||Khebit TC| 02:36, 30 May 2011 (PDT)

Facts about Finland-Sweden-Estonia situation

The article states:

 Sweden would also join the attack against Finland to assist its Estonian allies and prepare for potential future actions against Finland 
(Article)

However the case isn't this. This is taken from Finnish Government newspaper:'

 Swedish NE proposal isn't hostile move even though Sweden is now member of ONE. Sweden will create a buffer zone between Finland and Estonia, so that Estonia needs to declare war to Sweden first if they want to attack Finland. 

Swedish officials says following:

 Finland needed help getting rid of their war with Estonia. I know that this may seem like a strange way of helping out but trust me when I say that the government of Finland has agreed that this is the best course of action right now. 
(Valnad - President of Sweden at the time [1])
 Vi hjälper finnarna! (We help Finns) 
(Lidskjalf - Swedish MoD at the time [2])

Conclusion: Article provides incorrect information about Swedish attack at Finland.

Another thing about Finland-Sweden stuff also caught my eye:

 The Chinese impact did manage to push Sweden back to its original regions and at the same time help to liberate Finland. 
(Article)

Every Finnish resistance war against Sweden had 100% support of Swedish government - Chinese attack didn't have anything to do with liberating Finland from Sweden.

 PRIORITY TWO: Fight for Finland in Western Finland - DON´T FIGHT FOR SWEDEN 
([The Swedish Military] Day 1261 Southern Finland (Swedish military orders saying to fight for Finland)

I fixed them a bit (feel free to make it better) --Icon-Finland.png sampo555 | Talk 04:53, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

cool. not a lot of country participant editing on this one, so good to clarify. Sweden went ONE and then went to war with China (EDEN) so that is probably why other media is paints an inaccurate picture. But I am curious, why was Finland being occupied by Sweden if they were all good buddies? Maybe we can add that in there somewhere. -- Flag-USA.jpg Citizen 6 Award-star-silver-3d.png Talk   08:40, 8 June 2011 (PDT)
Sweden conquered Finland only to gain ownership of Southern Finland - the only region that has common border with Estonia (to create buffer zone between Finland and Estonia and thus help Finland to stop Estonian attacks). Finland RW'd Finnish regions from Estonia and Sweden conquered them right after to move further south (Sweden had to pass trough almost every Finnish region to reach Southern Finland). However the last RW of Southern Finland was won by Estonia so Finland wasn't able to "give" the region to Sweden. As attacks start automatically after 24h Sweden attacked Aland and thus conquered whole Finland (except Southern and Eastern Finland (which was in Russian hands ATM if I remember correctly)).
Plan was to try again to RW Southern Finland so that Sweden could take control over it. Then our president got sick RL and the plan was put on hold. In the end Russia conquered Southern Finland from Estonia and Sweden had started war with Russia. Due to these things the plan of handing Southern Finland to Sweden was dropped completely and Russia took Sweden's place as buffer between Finland and Estonia. After this Finnish regions were liberated from Swedish occupation. So the Finland-Sweden war was completely strategic move... --Icon-Finland.png sampo555 | Talk 09:06, 8 June 2011 (PDT)