Talk:Turkey/Archive1

Occupation of Israel

Why did you delete it? It was neutral. --Aryamehr talk 19:17, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Because it wasn't true and not really neutral. I'll write about it soon; but if you can write an neutral one, of course it will stay. //Zaib Atsu

You are wrong. I said what both sides are saying. I am reverting it. --Aryamehr talk 21:48, 10 July 2008 (BST)

You are wrong; because you didn't say just what both sides are saying. You said what Israeli people said as truth and words of Turks as lie.

I wrote what the Israelis say and then that the Turks say that this is a lie and it's not true. That's what they are saying. --Aryamehr talk 21:48, 10 July 2008 (BST)

I have added the Neutrality template until this discussion is over. --Belea2008 chew the fat 23:13, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Lol Belea2008 ;) - I think this discussion was over because anyone that reads it can see that it's neutral. I am saying from the both points. --Aryamehr talk 23:28, 10 July 2008 (BST)

The paragraph isn't very neutral at all. It's basically saying that Turkey has done all these things, yet the government is denying it. A better way of phrasing it would be "However, no evidence has been produced to support these accusations." --Gigglyomicron 00:28, 11 July 2008 (BST)

No as you can see I am using "they have been accused" which does not have to be true/false. --Aryamehr talk 00:30, 11 July 2008 (BST)

The tone of the paragraph is still anti-Turkish. A better wording for it would be "Recently, Turkey has been the subject of much criticism. The Turkish government has been accused of, amongst other accusations, discriminating against the Israeli population by restringing them access to Turkey's major political parties. As of yet no evidence has been provided, and the Turkish government denies all of these accusations."

Adding in every accusation would make the paragraph fairly awkward to read, and make it sound rather anti-Turkish. --Gigglyomicron 00:36, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Sounds good! Editing it now then until I can find those evidence :p --Aryamehr talk 00:38, 11 July 2008 (BST)

If everthing is OK ( in my opinion it is not, but never mind) , i m removing the Neutrality template --Nevugila 15:44, 14 July 2008 (BST)

The Congress of Turkey, with the permission of the Turkish President, recognized the injustices committed against the eIsraeli citizens: [1] the statement of contrition was also issued in Hebrew [2]. This was an important act of the ABK administration and should be part of the historical record. --Farmer Bob

Parties sorting

I'm sorting parties by votes so dont put TLF to top of the list.. --Zaib Atsu 13:10, 20 July 2008 (BST)

Interesting, now hat they are there, it's by votes? LOL. --Aryamehr talk 21:07, 20 July 2008 (BST)

I think you musn't put your own ideas to an objective article. --Zaib Atsu 13:30, 20 July 2008 (BST)

What... you guys lost me... =)) --Belea2008 chew the fat 01:39, 21 July 2008 (BST)

The "Current Political Parties in Turkey" list is sorted by alphabetical order.In the Congress make up chart, parties are sorted by the number of seats. Where the parties have the same number of seats, they are in alphabetical order. Alphabetical order or chronological order is the best way to make lists that are not biased-- Q J Lincoln 15:43, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Update

I am updating the regions list (it is ugly) I will also be updating the congress numbers and tax structure.--QJ Lincoln 01:34, 13 August 2008 (BST)QJ Lincoln

Why did you deleted my "aka"s? (edit: and why did you deleted Romania-Ukraine war which Turkey fought in? --Zaib Atsu 11:52, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I deleted your "aka"s because nobody in Erepublik called any of the cities by the names you added. At least some people call Athens "Rathens" and Istanbul "Constantinople", but nobody calls Alexandroupoli "Dedeagatch". I've re-added the bit about the Romania-Ukraine War. John Daker | | Talk 20:16, 17 August 2008 (BST)

You added like Turkey didnt fought well, but anyway. And Turks call these cities like this and this is enough for "aka"s when these cities are parts of eTurkey. --Zaib Atsu 04:25, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Could someone update the congress numbers and such?

Congress Numbers updated - I'm not clear on the sorting of the table - should it be alphabetical or by number of seats? --Farmer Bob

• For population chart, which software did you use for making it? --emredo aka equilibrium1907 13:54, 18 December 2008 (EET)

Nevugila's continuous vandalism

Nevugila, you are not the President of Turkey. You have been permabanned from Erepublik. You have absolutely no say in what happens in Turkey and every edit you make to this wiki is non-objective vandalism. John Daker | | Talk 19:54, 23 August 2008 (BST)

do i say i m president ?

i m editing pages objectively,

you are vandalizing it.--Nevugila 19:56, 23 August 2008 (BST)

You are definitely not editing objectively. Changing Turkey's information from what has been declared by the current Turkish Government to what you want it to be is not called "objective". I'm changing it back to what the current Government has said. That is objective. You are not being objective John Daker | | Talk 19:57, 23 August 2008 (BST)

First of all Phaedrus is not president of Turkey anymore, stop vandalizing.

secondly; you cannot give names to Athens like Rathens. it belongs to Turkish state.

thirdly; you cannot specify national anthem and official language. Turkey is not a colony of England nor U.S. . She has its sovereignity. She has a official language : Turkish, She has a national anthem : Independence March

fourthly ; where is the referandum to change Turkey's official language or national anthem ? --Nevugila 20:04, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Objective is not "how john daker or goons wants".--Nevugila 20:07, 23 August 2008 (BST)

The information about languages and the anthem were decided by Congress members. You forget that this page is for eTURKEY not REAL TURKEY. The name "Rathens" was decided by the people of Athens before the city was taken over by the Turks. What are you doing her Nevugila when you are banned from eRepublik? Go play some other game. --Q J Lincoln 21:11, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Give the links, or shut your mouth.

it doesnt interest Turks that people of athens' decides. Turkey conquered athens, and she has the right to call as Athens.

+how can you call istanbul as constantinople,

did people of istanbul decide it? can you give the links ? --Nevugila 21:41, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Give the links, or shut your mouth. [PETITION Rename Athens to Rathens] accepted by then-Members of Parliament/Congressmen. We're not saying you can't call it "Athens", but there is a definite reason we have "Rathens" listed. Furthermore, the Turkish Congress accepted the name change to "Constantinople" and many people call it that. You are not making objective edits. John Daker | | Talk 21:48, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Nevugila shouldn't have a Wiki account at all since he was banned for cheating. Any changes he makes should be deleted. --Senor Schlong 22:02, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Want some (bot)protection? --Mini "Template boy" Bill wanna chat? 22:15, 23 August 2008 (BST)

You are not allowed to use bot protection. Just keep that in mind. --Aryamehr talk 22:17, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Where is said that I'm not allowed to do it?

1- Do you know the differences between petition and referendum ?

2- Suppose that people of Greece accepted the name changing by referendum (however there was no referendum);

Athens belongs to Turkey right now and people of Greece cannot determine its name anymore.

3- Where is the link of referendum or Turkish Congress' decision about changing Istanbul's name.

4- If you don't know "how to be objective". Look this word s mean in Dictionary : "evidence"

5- I never give up from struggling if I'm right. You cannot cope with me while I m right.

6- Yes I was banned from erepublik but not from here. If you don t accept this situation contact with admin. It doesn't give you the right to undo my changes. You can only undo it if I'm wrong.

7- Stop vandalizing Turkey s page.

You cannot change it as how you want. Give the proofs. --Nevugila 22:24, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Let's do it in an ordinate manner:

Nevugila Claims

1. The name of the region originally called Athens, and then called Rathens, is now Athens, because that city is now Turkish, and the Turkey government chose the name Athens
2. The name of the region originally called Istanbul should still be Istanbul
3. There is no Turkish president

Proofs

1. They can call it as Rathens but they cannot formalize* it without referendum or Greek Congress decision. Suppose that there was a referendum (petition is not referendum) or Greek Congress decision, now (*)Athens is in Turkey and their decisions is not valid anymore. Plus; there wasnt any referendum nor Turkish Congreess decision about calling Athens as Rathens. So , I cannot give any proof about an event(!) that has never exist. If they claim an event as happened, they have to give proofs. (Turkey s page is not place of subjective things as AKAs. If they can do that , everyone can write hundereds of AKAs in Turkey s page. Informations should be formal and objective) --Nevugila 23:15, 23 August 2008 (BST)
2. There wasnt any referendum nor Turkish Congreess decision about calling Istanbul as Constantinople. --Nevugila 23:15, 23 August 2008 (BST)
3. They are claiming that Phaedrus is the President of Turkey.

No thats wrong since he was banned. Here is the links : http://www.erepublik.com/country-43-politics.html http://www.erepublik.com/profile-620811.html --Nevugila 23:15, 23 August 2008 (BST)

QJ and John Claims

1. The name is Rathens
2. The name is Constantinoples
3. The Turkish president is Phaedrus Lidrox

Proofs

1. No. AKA means "ALSO KNOWN AS" this makes no claim to official naming of the city. It only means that ATHENS is officially called ATHENS in the game, but some people also call it RATHENS.--Q J Lincoln 22:53, 23 August 2008 (BST)
2. No. AKA means "ALSO KNOWN AS" this makes no claim to official naming of the city. It only means that ISTANBUL is officially called ISTANBUL but some people also call it CONSTANTINOPLE. Here is the link to the petition http://www.erepublik.com/forum-topic-53491.html--Q J Lincoln 22:53, 23 August 2008 (BST)
3. No, the Turkish president is Phaedrus Lidox, he will be in name until another one is appointed. I can agree with deleting his name from the info box and leaving it blank--Q J Lincoln 22:53, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Excuse me

Sorry for butting in, but where did Nevugila get authority to change the page? He is a permanently banned user who is currently trying to degrade the article. Good faith has just about been exhausted and consensus is in favor of John Daker and Q J Lincoln. He has persisted in trying to lower the quality of this page, and he is also disputing things that are verified by contract.

I'm going to leave Admin a message requesting his account to be blocked, and I recommend for you guys to do the same. I don't think vandalism should be tolerated simply because he disagrees. --AgentChieftain T / H / E 00:06, 24 August 2008 (BST)

The thing that I still don't understand is why is he insisting in doing changes he doesn't know anything about (e.g. turkey position) because being banned he can in no way know this data! --Mini "Template boy" Bill wanna chat? 09:33, 24 August 2008 (BST)

EXCELLENT POINT, MINIBILL!--Q J Lincoln 15:11, 24 August 2008 (BST)

President's table

I changed the table of presidents:

1. Everyone knows the term begins on the 2nd of the month and ends on the 1st of the next month
2. Having it separated by months makes it immediately known that a person served more than one term
3. Having it separated by month makes it easier to read
4. The table matches the other tables in this wiki
   --Q J Lincoln 20:47, 13 September 2008 (BST)

you are right --Modu Shanyu 01:25, 14 September 2008 (BST)

see, I can be reasonable :) --Q J Lincoln 14:43, 14 September 2008 (BST)

Who was the President of Turkey in December 2007

Does anyone know ?--Modu Shanyu 00:21, 19 September 2008 (BST)

I have searched, too! There do not seem to be organized records of that first election.--QJ Lincoln 00:25, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Controversies

I have edited that section. I hope all people accept that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yulami (talk • contribs)

Well, add some references please :) --Mini "Template boy" Bill have a biscuit 21:45, 7 January 2009 (EET)

I've added some references to Yulami Sorry for editing Giray's page. I was twisted, cause my first wiki experience :P

Though I understand what you are trying to say, I am not sure if this really needs to be on this page because it is more applicable to one user or one newspaper rather than an entire country. I mean, if we put EVERY issue with hacking, multi-accounts, banning, etc involving citizens of Turkey on this page, the page would be the biggest on the site ;) --QJ Lincoln 21:32, 8 January 2009 (EET)

OK I think you're right :)