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I have been told that we need to make a choice between the Biography template or Template:Citizen. I don't see why we have to though. They both work. It's just a matter of preference. The Bio one has a different order and format, along with some extra features that I think many citizens would like to have on their pages. It has rows for newspaper, number of fights, birth/death regions as opposed to just dates, it adds the icon for military rank, it spells "succeeded" correctly, it has user information at the top that can easily be turned on or off. I personally think that the Bio is better, but I don't see why we can't let people choose between the two. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 07:34, 28 January 2009 (PST)

The purpose of a template is to provide unity across the entire wiki. A user can have basic information at a glance and know exactly what type of page he/she is reading without reading a word. Good templates display brief-at-a-glance information that is fairly static so that changeable information appears in the text of the article. The wiki community through months of work have created the citizen template that all pages are using. There is a tutorial on using and it is now being translated into foreign languages. Though I don't think anyone is opposed to changes to the template, the fact is, we should only have ONE template. (Does Wikipedia allow more than one template for the same type of page?) What would happen if everyone decided to have their own template? The entire purpose of the template would be moot. Also, over the months that the wiki has been active, we have developed a process for changing and editing templates to gain consensus. This process must continue to be followed to maintain any sort of quality and continuity in an ever expanding wiki.--QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 07:57, 28 January 2009 (PST)
I'm not saying everyone should be able to make a new template for every little thing they do. I'm saying that everyone should have a choice. The Citizen template works great, but I like the look and feel of the Bio. They are similar enough so that people always know what they're looking at, but the Bio is unique enough to allow everyone to have a preference. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 08:04, 28 January 2009 (PST)
Both has good things and should be worked into one. For example on the Biography page I like it on the top with link to the profile and user thingy. The military icon does not look bad but I am still a bit unsure. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 09:05, 28 January 2009 (PST)
The military icon is, imho, a good thing and it can be implemented quite easily in the current template. For profile and user links it's easy too, but I'm not getting the whole "link to profile" idea: what would it link to? The page itself??? Anyway, the big idea is *not* having many templates, because of:
  1. If we have one template, and we add some functionality (say the icon for the rank), it automatically gets added to every page
  2. If there is an error we have a single page to fix
  3. A user that knows how to use one template will know how to edit pages using that template
  4. Many others

--Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core have a biscuit 09:31, 28 January 2009 (PST)

Slightly off topic, but if we are thinking of changing the citizen template, can we add a line under the profile image? --~✭βƓЪ✭~ 09:39, 28 January 2009 (PST)
We are always taking ideas to improve the templates. Please put your idea on Template Talk:Citizen --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 09:43, 28 January 2009 (PST)

We can update the Citizen template with these extra features; those aren't the the things I'm worried about. It's the format of the Bio which is the reason I made it. I think people should have a choice of what their page looks like. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 13:38, 28 January 2009 (PST)

What's the difference in format? --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core have a biscuit 13:39, 28 January 2009 (PST)
The order of the items is changed, there are no headings, the order of the offices is reversed, etc. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 13:46, 28 January 2009 (PST)
Well I agree that level and rank need to be moved as they look a little odd floating under the image (which is why I suggested adding a line).--~✭βƓЪ✭~ 13:54, 28 January 2009 (PST)
I disagree with having two separate templates for the same task, but I do believe that Mr. Awesome's ideas should be implemented into Template:Citizen. I don't think the headers should be removed, but I do think that the societal content belongs above the political content. Also, Template:Citizen's political section needs to be fixed, because it's current implementation is rather awkward and can grow excessively long for citizens who serve nonconsecutive terms.
Editing Template:Citizen can be quite a pain, as its history shows, so creating alternate versions as prototypes isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think the template is in need of a major update, job queue or not. - –Dr. AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star PPP! B / C / D / F / P / S 16:13, 28 January 2009 (PST)
Also, now would be a good time to bring up recoloring the template. - –Dr. AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star PPP! B / C / D / F / P / S 16:16, 28 January 2009 (PST)
Adding the two together might be a good option, but I don't want to remove any of the features that I created the bio template for. That's why the only way to do this without angering me is to just use the Bio template. That would probably anger a lot of other people though. So I think that the best compromise is to keep both templates and update the Citizen. I stick with my point that we should have a choice. It used to be that even if you didn't like the Citizen template, you had to use it. Now there is another choice that might meet the needs of some people better. You must understand that the Citizen template is not going anywhere; we're just providing a new option. Please, just let everyone have a choice instead of uniting everyone under one template. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 17:22, 28 January 2009 (PST)
I don't want to take away your choice, but as far as the wiki format goes, it's more advantageous to use the same group of templates for common tasks, especially in the case of citizen pages. Categorization, for example, is much easier when the templates serve the same purpose, because all similar pages can be accessed from Special:Whatlinkshere.
We don't necessarily have to remove any of your features, by the way. What if we made Template:Citizen modular, so you can arrange and color the elements any way you see fit? Instead of using two different templates to achieve the same thing, we can make the template do everything you want it to do. I think I might be able to make it so that the elements of the template are in pieces that can be customized however you want them to be, all while using the same basic template as the base. I'm testing a similar concept with this template that would serve as an alternate skin for Template:Ambox, and I think I can lend you my findings and resources and apply this to a new version of Template:Citizen.
I don't want to hinder your creativity, I like that you're making your own templates, especially complex ones like this. We just need to make sure that it can fit with the purpose of the wiki as being a unified source of information for the game. - –Dr. AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star PPP! B / C / D / F / P / S 19:23, 28 January 2009 (PST)
Modding is a great idea. Let's go with that. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 03:46, 29 January 2009 (PST)
Can you add separators like "Economy" or "Politic" please ? --Tigran Jamiro Icon-France.pngCome and Chat
<no wiki>(| colspan=2 style="padding:2px; font-size:110%; text-align:center; background:#D8D8D8;" | Politic )</no wiki>
What about a Category:People of 'Residence' ? --Tigran Jamiro Icon-France.pngCome and Chat

Editing suggestions

  1. When you want to edit this, use your sandbox.
  2. If you want to edit this, talk and agree with others.
  3. You need to make up your mind and differ from Erepublik and Real life, if I am not wrong.. you have date of birth = real life birth and then the rest of the things = erepublik things. Or?!?

--Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 15:38, 15 July 2008 (BST)

Not enough

Can't add more than 4 political positions (look at Dio's article). Is there a better way of doing this? Like putting all the terms of a specific position into one section? --Siclo Flag of the Crescent and Star T / H / E 15:56, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Bio infobox and company infobox?

Why? It looks so ugly. Who are making these changes and why? --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 20:50, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I totally agree - it has screwed up the look of a lot of pages and there is no way to remove the info.--Q J Lincoln 01:02, 27 August 2008 (BST)
I agree with reverting it Ma1kel. --Sandtux Pakistan prevails TALK|HIST 21:27, 27 August 2008 (BST)
I agree, this must be reverted. The VAST majority of citizens do not own companies, so why add it? If you own a company, use a company infobox.
Citizen4912 v2.jpg Paddyohale Icon-United Kingdom.png Feedback? 22:18, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Restoring changes to 26th August

Please DON'T edit templates without previous discussion due to them affecting countless pages.

I restored it to the time before all company changes. Last change repeated the Party twice. Could be intented to add that info in politics and in society too, but that kind of things should be discussed first. --Sandtux Pakistan prevails TALK|HIST 22:29, 29 August 2008 (BST)


What is this supposed to mean Minibill?

  1. Country they live in
  2. Country they are from

--Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 09:27, 7 September 2008 (BST)

Country they are from, if the country they live in is different from the one they are from they can specify it like: country=Italy residence=Berlin,Germany

What the hell you doing MiniBill.

You just destroyed a bunch of pages like Aryamehr --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 08:35, 29 September 2008 (PDT)

Minibill please UNDO. --Sandtux Pakistan prevails TALK|HIST 08:56, 29 September 2008 (PDT)
It's all ok, don't worry, I'll fix all --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core call me! 10:48, 29 September 2008 (PDT)
Thank you for solving it. Er. Or was AgentChieftan? Thanks anyway. --Sandtux Pakistan prevails TALK|HIST 14:55, 29 September 2008 (PDT)


This is a conversation MiniBill and I had about the Citizen Template, can others weigh in?

On the citizen template. What do you mean by "nationality"? Is this the country in which they are currently living? The country they started in? Or their REAL LIFE nationality? If it is RL, then do we have small flags to support it? And what purpose would the People of.... categories provide? --QJ Lincoln 07:00, 3 October 2008 (PDT)
mh... we should talk in the template page and reach an agreement. my idea was that the nationality is the nation you feel you belong to, for example (ATM) one cannot be resident in poland, but can feel polish and put that in his profile. about people of... categories, that's a problem I had never thought of --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core call me! 10:58, 4 October 2008 (PDT)
I have always thought it was where a person is actually from in reality.Pierric Bross 19:18, 7 October 2008 (PDT)
That would make no sense, we have almost no RL data in this wiki (except for photos and region names) --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core call me! 06:09, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
I took nationality to be the country you were living and the location to be the city or region. --QJ Lincoln 07:22, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
Should be the nation you started in. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 08:54, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
I take it to mean the country that you consider yourself a citizen of, in eRep. I go to other countries to fight all the time, but I consider myself an American until I make a move that I consider to be a change of citizenship, like Dishmcds's move to the UK --Emerick 10:47, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
That's my idea too, for example (now) one person can't have location: israel, but it does make sense to have nationality: israel --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core call me! 14:01, 8 October 2008 (PDT)

This template doesn't do V1

Could someone please make this so it redirects to V1 profiles? Also the same for template:party and others etc. etc. I wish I could do it but I don't know how. Pierric Bross 16:37, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

At this point, you need to create a Redirect.
On the page [[Citizen Joe Blow]] create a redirect by typing "#redirect[[Joe Blow]]" and then click save. This will ensure that the link in Erepublik links to the right citizen.
Do the same process for parties, organizations, etc. - See Help:V1 Integration --QJ Lincoln 17:56, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

Sorry that's not what I mean. The 'number' part of this template is supposed to link back to your erepublik website profile(not wikipedia), however it links back to the old erepublik profiles and not the new ones.Pierric Bross 22:07, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

More Pressing Issue

Links to the Erepublik profile no longer work :( --QJ Lincoln 19:37, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

Yes that is what I was talking about.Pierric Bross 22:07, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

Profile Pictures

I dunno much about wiki-editing, none the more about how to write templates, but would it be possible to add some sort of direct link to the profile pictures on .com? That you just have to write your numbers after "picture|" and it will automatically be set as your .com profilepic?--Dirty Harry 16:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki software doesn't allow for "external" images --Mini "Template" Bill Italian in the deep core bother me! 16:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
To bad :*( ty for answer --Dirty Harry 16:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

More Politics.

It would be possible to add some more, or infinite politics "offices", I have a long and fructify career and I have a LOT of positions but i just can post 10. And almost every month I hava another title. Maybe you can add a function in the office part in where I can post for example: Minister of Foreign Affairs from May of 2008 to June of 2008, from Febrary of 2009 to March of 2009, and from May of 2009. That way I don't need to "waste" one "office" for each period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhoo (talkcontribs)

Ask him to be quick for the new template :)--Mini "Template" Bill Italian in the deep core bother me! 14:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime I can add more offices. Just write how many you need --Mini "Template" Bill Italian in the deep core bother me! 14:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Final tweaks and introduction

I (not a coder) always had problems with trying to change/export a complex template. Importing the current Template:Citizen into another Wiki and making changes so that I used only parts from it took me 5+ excruciating hours of trying to understand what is where or where is what. Therefore, I wish (if you have time and energy) to also introduce comments for people like me (non-coders) to better understand how the template is structured. Thanks! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 14:32, 1 February 2009 (PST)

Well, basically the template header is a thing I haven't touched (although I'm going to do that), other things are just using {{Row}}, and {{Header}}, what's wrong? --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core have a biscuit 05:55, 2 February 2009 (PST)

In these cases (when you have already received feedback in long-going Bar Discussion) wait 1 or 2 days to see if anyone has any final ideas (I see that BGBW already has a question for you) and then introduce it without a voting. I think that only Template:Citizen will require a voting because there are 3 contributors who work on different versions and it is a possibility that they will not reach a strong consensus in certain aspects of the template. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 14:32, 1 February 2009 (PST)

Collapsible tables

Collapsible tables are (finally) implemented properly in the Wiki. Here is a template that uses it and see it here at work. Have fun with it! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 14:40, 31 January 2009 (PST)

So, within all of that new markup, which table properties are needed to implement this in templates like {{Region}}, {{Citizen}}, and {{Country}}? From what I can tell, it's a special class of table, but there are a few things I'm unfamiliar with concerning how it works.
Also, can I safely assume that this template is what made the TOC collapsible long before we even implemented that Javascript from ED? - –Dr. AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star PPP! B / C / D / F / P / S 16:30, 31 January 2009 (PST)
Long story short - here is how it's used: Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Collapsible tables. I have no idea what ED means, but yes! And the last idea - Wikipedia automatically uses .js pages from MediaWiki - example: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js. If we want that our Wiki to use them we have to add them manually, like here. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:49, 31 January 2009 (PST)
So, looks like the big idea is just to add class=collapsible --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core have a biscuit 06:44, 1 February 2009 (PST)

Now the challenge is to put this inside of another template and make it look good. -- Citizen1257373.jpg Mr. Awesome | Talk | 07:50, 1 February 2009 (PST)

I did some work on User:AgentChieftain/Sandbox/Template:Citizen --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core have a biscuit 10:52, 1 February 2009 (PST)