User talk:Belea2008/Archives/4

Why

(from User talk:Aryamehr)

• User:Aryamehr/Sandbox/Military of Iran (last improvement: November 15, 2008)
• User:Aryamehr/Template:Infobox Country (last improvement: December 18. 2008)
• User:Aryamehr/Sandbox (a usage of the above template)
• User:Aryamehr/Sandbox/Mainpage (last improvement: December 27, 2008)

Why have you stopped improving them? Do you need any help? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:02, 1 February 2009 (PST)

I have also proposed deletion for the following pages:

• Shahanshah (moved to your User space)
• Emperor (moved to Reza's User space)
• Category:Shah (not respecting Wikipedia's guidelines)

--Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:02, 1 February 2009 (PST)

1. Why did you move Shahanshah?

2. Why did you move Emperor?

3. How is Category:Shah not respecting Wikipedia's guidelines?

Then:

4. Are you going to remove God Emperor? (It's the exact same thing as Emperor)

Thanks. I don't want nor need your help either. --Aryamehr talk 08:03, 2 February 2009 (PST)

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1. Because I consider it redundant in the current form. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Is it hard to ask me to improve it? Did I say no when you told me to take a look at Talk:Aryamehr?

No. And no, you did not. It's just that from your last two months contributions I noticed that you want to focus your time and energy into improving unreferenced pages. My sincere apologies if I did not understood correctly or if my requests for deletions offended you in any way! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 13:38, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Good. I am working on a few pages already but I don't want to publish unfinished work. It was in my list of things to improve but first I want to prioritize my own page Aryamehr which I am working on already and I have finished big parts of it. Your requests for deletion did offend me because I would not go and delete your page without talking to you first. Although it's never too late to change. --Aryamehr talk 05:37, 5 February 2009 (PST)

Okay, I will ask you in the future. One last thing puzzles me though: wouldn't that lead to "ownage"? (I'm asking because I think we both agree that "ownage" is not such a good thing in a Wiki) --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "ownage"? --Aryamehr talk 11:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm referring to these 3 types of events. The fact that me (or other contributors) will ask you before doing changes to certain pages wouldn't lead to "ownage"? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 20:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it shows that you are a respectful guy who respects the one who has worked hard on that page and don't go around editing/trashing it around with talking with that person first. It has nothing to do with ownership. --Aryamehr talk 20:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the clarification! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 20:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

2

2. Heated debate - procedural moving. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Talk:God Emperor is a heated debate and have had deletion template put on by several people. It was once deleted by the team too. What will your response be? --Aryamehr talk 06:30, 4 February 2009 (PST)

God Emperor was also deleted by the team for redundancy. In the current talk it is debated if a citizen should be allowed to be named "God Emperor" and not a debate if the page is respecting the policies. From a different point of view, I can agree to a certain degree that the current debate on Talk:God Emperor could be related to the subject on the God Emperor page, but I think that should be resolved pretty quickly by asking Admin to state if they allow a citizen to be titled "God Emperor" or not. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 13:38, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Then I will soon start asking for it to be deleted and please get involved you too! I will let you know, yeah? --Aryamehr talk 05:37, 5 February 2009 (PST)

All right! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You moved that page because it was a heated debate, that is all? You got a lot of moving to do. I think the ones you broke should be fixed again and be put back the way it was before. --Aryamehr talk 19:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

You moved that page because it was a heated debate, that is all? No. I consider that redundancy is also applied in the case of the Emperor page. Do you need ideas on how to improve/expand it? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 17:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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3. It is not respecting Wikipedia:WP:CATEGORY. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Next time we are following Wikipedia Rules written for Wikipedia and not for Erepublik Wiki, please make it very clear so we can know. --Aryamehr talk 06:30, 4 February 2009 (PST)

I agree with you that the fact that some Wikipedia Policies are taken under consideration without having counterparts in this Wiki is not clear enough. What do you propose in order to solve this idea and this kind of errors to be avoided? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 13:38, 4 February 2009 (PST)

When you add new rules, make it very clear. Be very fair to everyone. There is no need to worry about rules once the atmosphere of the wiki is good, because then everyone uses common sense. Right now, what do we got? People trying to beat each other down in every way possible and of course the rules are flawed too at the same time so it's no good. I have no idea. Maybe when things get better I will start getting ideas. --Aryamehr talk 05:37, 5 February 2009 (PST)

Thank for sharing your general view regarding the atmosphere in the Wiki! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

4

4. I am not going to propose the deletion of God Emperor because I see no reasons for this request. Am I missing something? ::--Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Yes you are, read my answer to 2. --Aryamehr talk 06:30, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Thanks for pointing out the fact that my reason stated when asked for deletion was not clear and informative enough. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 13:38, 4 February 2009 (PST)

5

(and) 5. I have found an idea in a very old page. Do you wish to help me implement a tutoring system? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

If you asked me this a few months ago, I would say yes. But now? No. When I see that you are turning your face away everytime sysops abuse their powers I see no reason to help you out. When I see that you and your staff turn your faces away everytime someone breaks a rule, I see no reason to help. You gave me a list of "rules I broke" in my talk page a moment ago, where is this for the other users? Where is it for AgentChieftain? For miniBill? For Q J Lincoln? I will gladly help you once things get a little bit more fair. --Aryamehr talk 06:30, 4 February 2009 (PST)

Let me know if I understood correctly. You do not wish to help evolve your idea because your resentment is too strong? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 13:38, 4 February 2009 (PST)

You understood me very clearly, make what you want out of it. --Aryamehr talk 05:37, 5 February 2009 (PST)

Thank you for the clarification! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Bar#Problem - Give your opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehr (talk • contribs) 18:42, February 2, 2009

Sure thing. No problem! Just give a couple of days to read that wall-of-text conversation... --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:08, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Done! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 00:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Merge

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=Template:Mergeinto&action=edit
Would this be of any use? - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:34, 2 February 2009 (PST)

Asked for deletion. I have no ideas for the moment! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 22:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Take Over

(from User talk:Kurapica)
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=Voting_System&diff=76486&oldid=71409 - I reverted this change - I consider that the information you want to add better belongs here: Political Take Over - do you need help expanding that page? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 03:22, 6 February 2009 (PST)

Hello, what's wrong on add this information?

Is permitted by the rules --Kurapica 03:38, 6 February 2009 (PST)

There is a feature in game that allows you to take over a country? From my knowledge, there is no red button... as a matter a fact, there is no button called "Take over country X..." Am I missing something? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 03:42, 6 February 2009 (PST)

The absence of a "red button" means nothing, everybody do it. So I don't understand why it can't be write down on a tutorial. --Kurapica 03:44, 6 February 2009 (PST)

For example, on the italian tutorial we put a lot of things created by the players. Like the Italian army, a welfare system, the politics party, and so on. Because we like to lean those things to newbie. So, I need to delete those things too? because there isn't a Red Button Instead? --Kurapica 03:49, 6 February 2009 (PST)

You understood me wrong. I apologize! I think my tone is inappropriate!

Rephrasing: there are things called features and there are things created by citizen through their imagination and organization - the welfare system is such a thing (as in there are no "buttons" for it), the organization of the Italian army (again, no game "buttons" for it). In my opinions these should be moved to a different page - as in to be separated from the actual features of the game. Let me give you an example - let's say we introduce in the Work page the idea - the employee receives gifts and/or other bonuses from their employer. A new citizen enters the game - he/she sees the idea and start "yelling" - where are my bonuses - the work page says I should receive bonuses - why did not my wellness go up when I worked? We will end up with a lot of puzzled newbies. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 04:01, 6 February 2009 (PST)

No problem :D. However maybe we can speak on the talking "vote system" page and link it on the wiki bar? So everybody can share their opinion on it? :D --Kurapica 04:12, 6 February 2009 (PST)

Okay. Good idea. Will you start the discussion in the Bar? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 04:14, 6 February 2009 (PST)

could you please do it? My battery is low and I will get connect this evening ^^"--Kurapica 04:21, 6 February 2009 (PST)

Done! Have a good day! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 04:28, 6 February 2009 (PST)

Question

Do you consider this an act of vandalism? Regards. --Aryamehr talk 02:42, 7 February 2009 (PST)

Arguable, it may be considered an Abuse of tags (Help:Contents/Vandalism), but without any doubt that edit is not respecting EREP:BE - section: Harassment. Just my humble opinion! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you think I should do in this case? --Aryamehr talk 11:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I concurred with QJ, if my memory serves (I could very well be wrong, it was a while back) and was told the fictional tag could be placed. References were asked for on the page, just not by me. And time had passed.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 21:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

This is where you are wrong. Belea asked for the source and it was up to him to add anything. We were still in middle of dealing with it. You however just came and added the tag without talking etc. I better start writing about you stealing the treasury of USA too and spread it to everyone! --Aryamehr talk 22:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I would consider that harassment. I fail to see how because person A asked for the sources, person B cannot place a tag on the article. Is that stated in the policy? Quote it, please.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 03:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Also are you saying if person A asks for a source it is their job to add it?--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 09:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with: "if person A asks for a source it is their job to add it".

I agree with: "We were still in middle of dealing with it. You however just came and added the tag without talking etc."

I disagree with: "I better start writing about you stealing the treasury of USA too and spread it to everyone!" (because it is off-topic)

My humble opinion again: EREP:REF - add fictional tag only if no one is willing to provide references or if no one answers to the reference call. In this case, at best, the template Unreferenced could have been added by anyone, and in no case the Fictional one (as someone stated earlier, a discussion was taking place on the talk page, so willingness is proven).

My third humble opinion - there are three cases:

• I read the policy and I'm right
• I read the policy and I understood it wrong (in this case, someone please explain what I'm missing)
• I read the policy and it is not clear (in this case, we should improve it, so these types of discussions are cleared in the future)

--Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 20:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. Responding on a talk page does not signify willingness to work. It just shows you're willing to disagree and not provide any sources. In my opinion, there was no progress being made. No sources were being offered. Therefore, in my opinion, a fictional tag is worthy. The amount of sources provided on ThisGenMedia has been at least equal to that of Aryamehr, before it was removed, of course. So, if my edit was illegitimate, surely the edit made by Aryamehr on my page is as well?
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 21:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I posted an announcement in the Bar to ask for other opinions. --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 21:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources were asked on: 5th February 2009 01:32 [1]

My response was given on: 5th February 2009 05:32 [2]

ThisGenMedia adds the fictional template on my Aryamehr page: 00:32 7th Februrary 2009 [3]

"eRepublik:Reference policy [4]"

If 2 (two) days pass and no reference is given, you can mark it as unreferenced.

If no references are given in 7 (seven) days from adding unreferenced tags, then you can mark that material as fictional.

So here is the deal: Not only did ThisGenMedia break the Reference policy but he also started a fight and didn't let the current conversation to finish. He gave it you can say almost one day and he expect people to answer quickly while I on his page gladly waited for him to answer, gladly discussed with AgentChieftain even if it took a long time and then added the tags. It is also worth mentioning he did this because I added fictional template to his pageso he broke Referance Policy and Behaviour policy.

Those are two major rules that he has broken. I personally got temp banned when I didn't write why I put a delete template in the talk page, I am curious how this will be handled by sysop/admin.

Regards,

--Aryamehr talk 14:02, 27 February 2009

You missed the point where sources were asked for on 29 January. And they were not all provided for. I apologize if I mixed up Fictional and Unreferenced, I did not mean to. However, from my eyes, there were still sources needed from 29 Jan and they were not being added. Please do not say what I expect, as that is not your place. I will not be banned because I broke no rules.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 21:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

You never give up do you? Got an excuse for everything! Let's see the holes in what you say. The sources were not asked on 29th of January, you are wrong. John Daker made a list of asking for sources in revenge of what I did to this page which was removed and nobody cared about in September. Atlatus asked for sources, I responded and did my part but he never came back to me so it is not my fault, instead 5th February Belea2008 came and there you can see you broke a few rules and policies. You mixed up Fictional and Unreferenced? You were not allowed to add Unreferenced either as it had not gone exactly two days (I however waited exactly two days before adding unreferenced template on your page) And I don't see how you mixed it up when you clearly wanted to make fun of me and knew exactly what you were doing [5], you do not mix something like that if you know the rules and have good faith (which you in this case didn't, you just wanted to revenge but in the end you broke many rules). I hope you are not going to try fixing this as well, because it's getting pretty boring if you ask me! --Aryamehr talk 22:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way, friend. Taking a page of your book, you're not the most.. how to say.. neutral decider in this matter. There was no punishment handed down and you are now obstructing a discussion Geo asked for.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 22:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I think ThisGenMedia is biased towards Koroush due to his own actions regarding TGMs wiki-page and past conflicts, thereby hastily added the fictional content tag. I don't think that any punishment is deserving based only on that, but possibly just a reminder by an authority that TGM should not edit the wiki out of spite/revenge/emotionality. Belea would have to be the least bias in this discussion so I go with her decisions. Pierric Bross 02:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Belea is a guy. If I'm biased, so is Koroush. You can't have it both ways. I added this because it needed adding... Sources were not being added for claims.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 17:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I changed EREP:REF in hope that these types of situations can be solved easier in the future. In the case above, I told TGM my opinion about it, he has read it. It's up to him to decide if he is going to leave aside his "spite/revenge/emotionality". Also, it is up to him to decide how he wishes to involve himself in the Wiki. May you both contribute much and well! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

EREP:RELIGION

Remember this? Well, I think it might be time to bring it up again. There needs to be a set of relevance requirements for these kinds of pages.
MiniBill and QJ have benn having a hard time dealing with all of these new religious hopefuls. There have been two cases of Islam, three of Christianity, one (Although apparently relevant) case of Mormonism, and many others that aren't actually a part of the game. They want to come here first to set it up, but there should be a rule that they come here after it has been established in the game. Also, the line between real and fictional religions is going to need to be drawn.
And yeah, I realize that all of these new religions are entirely my fault. Not exactly what I had in mind.
- –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 12:41, 7 February 2009 (PST)

I am currently drafting a policy in my sandbox. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 15:03, 7 February 2009 (PST)

Apparently, Admin has found a (puzzling) solution (for the moment). Let me know if you need help with anything...

--Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 22:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Video

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/User:Admin/Requests#Embed_video_-_Done.21 --Admin 00:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 22:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Aryamehr page

I deleted everything as I am working on a completely new page. If you want (I would be glad) if you could help me keep it neutral, unbiased and verified.
--Aryamehr talk 17:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. What do you need? --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 22:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Forget it for now. I need to finish it first ;) --Aryamehr talk 11:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

DoE

Hello Belea, :) any updates on the portal for DoE? Should we get it to be voted or there is something else you would like to propose? --Ashot: We are what we repeatedly do “Excellence”, then, is not an act but a habit. 21:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Department of Education (United States of America). Have fun with it! --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 12:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Belea! --Ashot: We are what we repeatedly do “Excellence”, then, is not an act but a habit. 17:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Asking Q J Lincoln etc.

Hi Geo
As you probably know I have asked Q J Lincoln (sysop) questions about my ban since a month ago and I have not been given responses yet, instead she has been trying to delay it and it seems that (this is my personal opinion) that she is waiting for me to get banned (somehow, like she banned me before for little things and that I got banned twice for the same thing) and then she will not have to answer the questions. How much longer should I wait? Another month perhaps? What do you think I should do? I am afraid if I write to User:Admin I will probably be banned for not "taking it up in their talk page". Gotta love the flawed wiki system :) --Aryamehr talk 22:19, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

You do realise she has been in hospital don't you.--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 23:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, go on explain why she has been working with this wiki for a while now even though she is in "hospital". If she can work with the wiki, update, add new info etc etc she can answer a few questions too, especially after having a month to answer!--Aryamehr talk 23:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Forgot this one, she is not doing any kind of communication at all and completely disrespecting me and the whole idea of Wiki and her position. It is a pity for sure. Although something I just got into my mind is that, would you say something about a sysop that does not agree with you? I mean QJ is a goon and good friends with you people so it's only natural that you try to protect each other. I am just curious if you would say do the exact same thing if the sysop was Iranian and hated you people? :) You do not have to answer just a little "food thought" --Aryamehr talk 23:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Gee, you can not even have a talk with someone without others who have nothing to do with it involving themselves. Belea, she now responded and said that she won't answer after making me wait for a full month. This was very rude, she could of said it from beginning and I don't know why a sysop can't be able to stand up on their actions. Do I think I should get my answers or not? I have every right to know why I got banned! --Aryamehr talk 10:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Is she in hospital really? She was my source of inspiration at Wiki. :)

I hope she gets better soon. --emredo aka equilibrium1907 || || 23:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Contrary to popular belief, the entire world is NOT out to get you.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 00:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Bump! This rule-breaker should be punished. --Aryamehr talk 16:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

"...after making me wait for a full month. This was very rude, she could of said it from beginning..." - actually (as someone announced you earlier), she was in the hospital more than 3 weeks. I don't think anyone can think about anything while he/she is in surgery.

"...I have every right to know why I got banned!" - Yes, you have and the reasons for your block were written to you.

QJ Lincoln has read your opinion, he has (and will) take it in consideration and she has nothing more to add: "I consider the matter closed and hope that we can move on from the issue." --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

ATTENTION

☞Portal:Military/Map☜

- –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 14:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Banner

Image:Banner.png - What do you think? - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 15:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Special:Preferences - Skin - choose "eRepublik". --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 16:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Preview

Thank you for your contributions to eRepublik Official Wiki. In the future, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the article will look like without actually saving it.

The "show preview" button is right next to the "save page" button and below the edit summary field.

It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. If you have any questions, you can either write on the Bar or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 22:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I see dead people... --Geo "Talk Pages" Belea 23:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)