First Kingdom in eRepublik (Iran vs. Hungary)

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These were removed from History :

"Jan 1, 2008 - Iran becomes the first country in eRepublik to adopt Monarchy with Koroush."
"July 23, 2008 - Hungary officially announced its change of government into Constitutional Monarchy similar to those of the real UK, becoming the first eKingdom!"



Iran - monarchy (Jan 1, 2008) - evidence - Aryamehr

Quick description:

  • First flag is the old flag of Iran when Iran was still a Monarchy. The eRepublik flag is Arabic Islam flag.
  • Imperial and 'Monarchy' logos for Navy, Air Force and Ground forces. Coat of arms = Imperial Coat of arms. Name change = To Imperial Army etc.
  • Human Rights charter.. I am Koroush.. King of Iran etc etc.

Hungary - monarchy (July 23, 2008) - evidence - Francis Hunyadi

The flag is not changed, the change of the Coat of Arms is a separate action from becoming Kingdom.

For the Hungarian Kingdom:

http://www.erepublik.com/press_release-28732.html - first written mentioning of the constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom - Jul 16, 2008 04:17

The official declaration of becoming a Kingdom was made on the official eRepublik forums here.

3 Hungarian parties agreed on becoming Kingdom, and they represent the greater percentage of the Hungarian population, after this agreement, I had the honor to post the announcement, and then President Haglee signed it.

The congress today - July 28 - accepted officially to become a Kingdom with a majority, above 51% of the congressmen signed it - 52.63% to be precise - before the 1st of the next month, and it awaits the Admin to make it now "eRepublik approved" accepted.

The list of the legit signers:

  • Tóth Tamás (Tóth TamÃ&)
  • Panzermeyer
  • Centurio
  • betlehen istvan
  • cyanide
  • BB
  • gyeneseb
  • Gorgey Artur
  • TomorAndras
  • Gyadi
  • Boci89
  • Fritz von Tejfel
  • Duck
  • Vitez H. Istvan
  • Andras Horvath
  • Lorna
  • Bardos Megyer
  • Judit Horvath
  • Wraith
  • musicmann

Against the Iranian monarchy - Francis Hunyadi

Ignoring the question if Iran would have been named Kingdom or not, but it is important to notify you that no official announcement on the official forums have been made, and none of the government signed it. Under these circumstances, Vaclav has the same rights to call himself Pope, both aren't legit.

In it we can read:

"I am Koroush. King of Iran, King of Kings, King of the Aryans.

I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them until I am alive. From now on, till I am the king of Iran, I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it , and if any one of them rejects it , I never resolve on war to reign. Until I am the king of Iran, I never let anyone oppress any others, and if it occurs, I will take his or her right back and penalize the oppressor.

And until I am the monarch, I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. Until I am alive, I prevent unpaid, forced labor. To day, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion. People are free to live in all regions and take up a job provided that they never violate other's rights.

No one could be penalized for his or her relatives' faults. I prevent slavery and my governors and subordinates are obliged to prohibit exchanging men and women as slaves within their own ruling domains. Such a traditions should be exterminated the world over."


Because the declaration to be a Kingdom or Empire is not legit, the starting of the speech is already meaningless.

After this, please see for yourself: he says UNTIL, and not AS LONG. This means he knows he is not a monarch, as he speaks about only becoming later one.

Because that never occurred, as said before: this is not acceptable neither, just as the declaration of being a monarchy.

ADD-ON:

Because no legit ruler ship was active in Iran for a while, and because Koroush decided anything on his own, the term Military Dictatorship is correct for Iran for that time period, along the republic was not declared to be restored.

Answers - Against the Iranian monarchy

OK Francis. You have no idea what you just started. Have fun.
For the Admin: I can easily and I will prove this guy wrong. He has no idea what he is doing. This guy has no idea about anything.
--Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 20:15, 24 July 2008 (BST)

You would be less attacked if you weren't always offending --Mini "Template boy" Bill Italian in the deep core wanna chat? 20:32, 24 July 2008 (BST)
I did not really offend anyone. I was told by Cristesco to put in everything I had to show Iran's monarchy and I was not even finished and this guy thinking this is some kind of CONTEST of being FIRST. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 20:41, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Well, it is, that's the whole idea behind it, thats why we did it ;) - Francis Hunyadi
OK, Since we doing it this way then prepare yourself because I am not gonna let this go. I will leave everything and focus on this :) --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 20:47, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Against "Against the Iranian monarchy" - Aryamehr

Iran became monarchy in January, when the game was still small and new. There were no guidelines, no rules about these things, no things like SO or all the other things we have today. Iran had very little people and my congress agreed to me becoming the Shah of Iran and making Iran's government Monarchy. Even though you shouldn't have to require Congressa approval, I still did it. The staff requested from me to make a new post now so that my old congress can witness that this happened which I agreed to and all I am waiting for is for them to log in. Again, one of the problems was I didn't knew I had to yell out to the world and make sure EVERY single person knew that Iran was a monarchy now. Admin said that they want us to make stuff, so we made Iran monarchy. Thus the first monarch in the world.

As a King (Shahanshah) I do not have to request permission from my congress to change stuff, even though I can do that as I wish. My congress, still the same people who agreed with me becoming king - allowed this as well. My people agreed with me as the King and they still do. Just the same way you have people against your Monarchy, of course we have people against stuff in our country too. One people was against it, One was for it (Just in comments!). It's amazing how you don't mention the one that was for it.

For the Human Rights Charter, you can read what I wrote above. Everyone agreed to it, my congress agreed to it, I agreed to it as the King of Iran. It's as legit as it can get. There, I mention about my Kingdom - reason I didn't do it before was because I was new, and there were no official rules, laws, guidelines, information. You don't see Pakistan mentioning them being military dictatorship eh? Yet Alexis Bonte, founder of this game said they were.

The starting speech is not meaningless. Read posts above. It's until. Are you going to judge me now because English is not my first language? You can say "until I am the monarch" .. "for the time I am monarch" If you know how to use dictionary, it says - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/until:
2. up to the time of: We danced until dawn.
3. onward to or till (a specified time or occurrence): She worked until 6 p.m.
4. before (usually used in negative constructions): He did not go until night.
There until can be used!

Iran was the first country in the world to be a Monarchy with the first Shah (king) which was me. Since it's Monarchy, it's Kingdom. We were the first Kingdom.

Thank you for your time, anything else?

Answers - Against "Against the Iranian monarchy"

Yes, until is good in past time, not for future. ;) - Francis Hunyadi
Also, where is any written proof that shows your people truly supported you? - Francis Hunyadi

3. onward to or till (a specified time or occurrence). Written support; Check out the forums in the contract section and ask them. So far I haven't even said anything or done anything and they made threads like that. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 22:35, 24 July 2008 (BST)
I do not care about current threads, i asked about a thread from the time we are discussing here, in which you have support to become Kingdom by majority of the congress. - Francis Hunyadi
Another question: If you are Koroush -and you say that again and again- then why is not your fake banned as well? As far I know Koroush was banned by the eRep staff. Did they decide it was a mistake? This is connected to this discussion because I wonder why we have to discuss a banned Koroush's actions, with "Koroush" himself. - Francis Hunyadi
Hahahahaha, someone has became desperate here. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 00:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)
Not at all, I already said what i want and that should be enough, and you yourself in the Wiki still claim to be "Aryamehr (Light of Aryans), Shah of Iran, styled His Imperial Majesty, and holding the imperial title of Shahanshah" - Francis Hunyadi
Just as mentioned before, Shahanshah is emperor, and you also wrote "empire" yourself. No discussion is needed, you yourself supported me with proof to prove Iran is not a Kingdom. And i still await a reply on why your alter ego isn't banned as well. - Francis Hunyadi
Yawn - first of all learn to use Wikipedia and comment properly as it gets very annoying talking to you this way. Secondly, I think I know better what Shah and Shahanshah really means as an Iranian than the foreign Wikipedia. Thanks. This discussion is over as I proved you wrong already and now I shall wait for my old congress to arrive to sign the contract and it's all over. :) --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 13:54, 25 July 2008 (BST)
I sadly have to tell you that the decision is not up to you or your congress or any Iranian, nor to any Hungarian, it is only up to the eRep Team, don't think about yourself too much - Francis Hunyadi
Only difference here is I am doing exactly as the Erep Team requires me to do. Have a good day sir. You just made yourself lots of enemies for no reason at all. I was acting nice to you all the way when you suddenly rushed all this and started insulting and going against me for no reason. :) --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 16:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
I didn't insult anyone, and you weren't acting "nice" to me so don't say that. The only insults I recently read are in the "anti-Hungary" threads where Iranians try to force their will on an entirely different nation. - Francis Hunyadi
Once again for the last time: the decision will not be made by you or me, only by the eRep Team, bye. - Francis Hunyadi

The first Kingdom - Talk:History

The first Kingdom -Francis H.

Second actually. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 21:20, 23 July 2008 (BST)
What was the first? --Emerick 23:30, 23 July 2008 (BST)
Yes, link please to the declaration, or other source - Francis Hunyadi
http://www.erepublik.com/press_release-1993.html --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 10:47, 24 July 2008 (BST)
None signed that, none agreed with it, that is at least so legit as Vaclav declaring himself being Emperor of eWorld - Francis Hunyadi
I read it again, even if it would be legit the title would be Shah or "šāhān šāh", and that is equal with an empire not a kingdom, so if it is legit, you were the first Empire and not the first Kingdom, but it would have been the first monarchy that is true :) - Francis Hunyadi

The first discussion - Talk:History

We all know that a monarchy isn't possible because of the actual tools that exist. To not confuse readers, this statements will not go in the History page. I know that the debate on the first "monarchy" in eRepublik will go on. Please write about these events as you like in the countries pages (Iran, Hungary). Write also something like these things please:

  • (1) "At the moment, this form of government (monarchy, empire, kingdom) is not possible due to game limitations. This declaration is not based on true facts of eRepublik."
  • (2) "This declaration is contested by (other country) as being the first one."
  • (3) Any references you have (articles are better, topics on the forum are good also).

With respect, after a talk with the team. --Belea2008 Hail eSouth Africa! chew the fat 17:50, 24 July 2008 (BST)

How come Monarchy can't exist in Iran when it was one of your staff if I am not wrong, calling Pakistan for military dictatorship? There are no tools for that either? You staff say that we should use our imagination and tools to make stuff, so we used our imagination and the tools we have to create a Monarchy, people agreed, people were happy, no one had any objections. I though this game was created by people who believed in democracy, so why are you then forcefully saying "NO THIS COUNTRY CANT BE THIS ONLY THAT!" - the debate on the first monarchy is still on hold, however I am more leaning towards Iran being first kingdom/monarchy. Empire is something totally different. I was striving to turn eRepublik Iran into Iran in the 1970s which is a Kingdom and not Empire. We already have references. It's amazing, you keep telling people to do the best out of the game and when we try to do so we are not allowed. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 17:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Where did you read that you are not allowed to declare your country a kingdom/monarchy??? (here is stated that this kind of declaration will not be written in the History page, that is all) --Belea2008 Hail eSouth Africa! chew the fat 17:55, 24 July 2008 (BST)
A Spanish Language news site recently did an article on eRepublik which quoted: Alexis Bonte as stating Pakistan of eRepublik was a Military Dictatorship instead of the intended Democratic paradigm that was designed for countries to work from http://www.publico.es/ciencias/tecnologia/68890 --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 17:56, 24 July 2008 (BST)
I would like to add that it is fully possible for a country to become an empire. Imperialism is the practice of conquering new territories in the name of your country, and conquering another country for this reason would make the country an empire by technicality. You don't really need additional controls for this. --AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star T / H / E 18:22, 24 July 2008 (BST)
With all due respect: if national events can't be included into eRep Wiki then the whole thing has no meaning, only that would needed to be decided if Iran was a kingdom or not - Francis Hunyadi
In addition, I think the formal name of the country or the leader's position shouldn't change unless they declare it so, as Pakistan and Greece have (The Holy Empire of Pakistan and the Hellenic Republic of Greece, respectively). Sweden shouldn't be referred to as the Swedish Empire unless Flammbar says otherwise. --AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star T / H / E 18:04, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Agree, as did Hungary declare to become Kingdom - Francis Hunyadi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah - Iran became a monarchy, with a monarch, but that was an Empire with an Emperor, not a Kingdom with a King - Francis
We will need a contract on the forum of eRepublik signed by at least 51% of the Congress in order to state clearly if that country adopted Monarchy. --Cristesco Hai Steaua! bla bla bla 18:13, 24 July 2008 (BST)
First of all - I declared Iran's government Monarchy back in January. I didn't know thus it's not my fault.
Secondly - What about dictatorships?
Thirdly - My congress back then agreed to it and there were just 3 people in the congress- Ravahn, inchimige and Shakir Nasrollah.
--Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 18:15, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Aryamehr - give me a link to where this was voted. --Cristesco Hai Steaua! bla bla bla 18:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Would I need to take the same steps to declare Pakistan an Empire? We've always been an empire (Consistently ruled by a God Emperor, and practicing imperialism from our initial failed declaration of war in December), so the vote would be unanimous, but I need to know in order to clear any misunderstandings. --AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star T / H / E 18:22, 24 July 2008 (BST)
AgentChieftain - sure, if this is what you want, there is no problem with us as long as you have a majority for your decision from your Congress. --Cristesco Hai Steaua! bla bla bla 18:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Dispute solved - debate ended

"As long as the Iranians will not come to us with the votes of their congress (maybe the ones from the past) and with strong evidence to support their statement, I would say that Hungary is the first kingdom in eRepublik, until further details are available.

Regards, Cristi"

Hungary is the first real Kingdom in eRepublik - Francis Hunyadi

Wrong. Iran is. --Aryamehr Flag of Iran talk 17:48, 1 August 2008 (BST)
This will never end... Wait a few days so that Admin analyzes the two procedures. Have patience, please... --Belea2008 Hail eSouth Africa! chew the fat 18:04, 1 August 2008 (BST)