eRepublik Official Wiki:Bar/Petition

MiniBill, as sysop

Ok, so this is the first case of users asking for a punishment of another user. I don't think Wikipedia rules apply here, because talking about users, they can afford losing 50 users a day without noticing. We can't. This is a really serious discussion, that will influence the future of this wiki, so please be responsible. Sysop involvement in this page will be stricter, no hate speech, harassing or similar will be tolerated. Personally, I'll "split" myself into the user, who will vote, talk about the question and do nothing, and the sysop, who won't vote, won't talk about the question, will apply the final decision and will talk about how to reach a decision. Please edit your speech to include your opinion and what you think should be done.

ThisGenMedia speech

Admins, for the love of Big Brother (The Party), I ask you to look over the actions of Koroush/Aryamehr. His blatant counter productive edits and bias patrols are holding back true and positive editing from going on in this wiki. Instead of spending time debating small, irrelevant facts, which have already been proven, on Talk:Embed and Talk:Pakistan, why doesn't Aryahemr productively improve the wiki? Like, you know, make a new page on Iran, or something? Is there nothing he can do but troll and ask for sources again, and again, and again? WHAT DOES THIS SOLVE? It solves nothing. We're spinning our wheels. I'm sure Aryamehr will come in here and say this and that and I'm biased and whatever, but I don't care any more. His blatant disrespect for others and a lack of respect for every wiki editor who disagrees with him is not only rude but just downright spiteful. I know I personally won't be editing the wiki until this is solved, bar writing on talk pages. This is a big problem and it's a big elephant in the room, Admins, so I'm just bringing it to your attentions. I don't care what you guys do. Talk to him (which numerous people have tried..), ban him, suspend him, I DO NOT CARE. I just want to edit the wiki in peace.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 09:11, 28 December 2008 (EET)

+1 --Althalus 09:18, 28 December 2008 (EET)

+1 -- Ben C 09:30, 28 December 2008 (EET)

HAHAHA, OH WOW

+1 - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:27, 28 December 2008 (EET)

I was all for it until the signature. Red links are evil.

0 --TheSupernatural Who wants to be a Supernatural?The SaNdBoX 03:38, 6 January 2009 (EET)

Geno Garon speech

I'd rather not have to cite every single detail on any of the pages I write. I'd end up spending months tracking down the minutest detail, only to be pecked at some more. I say, if it's plausible, and it can't be readily proven false, it should stick, and citation can be added for increased verification. Just because it's on the wiki doesn't mean people will automatically believe it, nor does it mean they are entirely based on fact. Some elaboration or extrapolation can occur everywhere to spice things up. A full review of Aryamehr's edits should be conducted to determine if he is a productive member. Signed, Geno Garon : Just trying to get by... 09:38, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Geno Garon second speech

@Bross, no one is saying we should NEVER cite sources, or that proving information in unnecessary. However, we need to find a balance on what's called general knowledge. I shouldn't have to cite every single page on a battle's history to prove I did a certain amount of damage. If it is called into serious question because I made some outlandish claim, then yes, I'd better be able to back it up, but let me give you an example; on my wiki page, I claimed to do over 80 damage in the FFF for Switzerland's FFF region. Should I have to go back and cite every single page of the battle where I did damage to prove my claim? Of course not, because it is not all that important, and rather hard to cast serious doubt on. Remember, the motto of the wiki is something to the tune of "plausibility, not actuality" if I remember it correctly. If we wanted to just read a list of in-game stats on a person, then we'd write a script to capture the person's every move on Erepublik and vomit it back out onto their wiki page.

From what I've seen of Aryamehr's edits and talk segments, he mercilessly questions people about any claim they make, no matter how small. A group of people claims to have discovered a glitch, and he moves in immediately, squawking to the tune of "screen shot or it didn't happen". Never providing constructive criticism, always belittling, and sometimes even claiming that, were he to do a little looking, he'd find the information in question to be false. Well I say this, and you said it too; if Aryamehr wants to find the truth so bad, let's not do his job for him. If he wants to get down to all the facts, then he needs to find them. The rest of us can be completely content with providing common knowledge, and even some things that are probably true, and we can have Aryamehr be our janitor if he sees fit, cleaning up all our sloppy logic messes. But that's the crux of it; he demands everyone do the work that he wants done; to do all of his fact-finding for him if he deems anything wrong with our information. I say, if you think it's wrong, prove it. --Geno Garon : Just trying to get by... 20:15, 28 December 2008 (EET)

Honestly speech

Not signed. Technically every page should have a source for any information claiming to prove anything (in saying that it is a wonder why no-one has asked Arayhmer for visible sources on his claims when he has asked such from so many others). Koroush is the opposite to everyone else in this wiki, and an opposite is always needed or else bias will pass unnnoticed (no matter how subtle). The fact every other major editor are generally good friends means that bias can escape unseen quite easily, and defending upon in a similar way, and that is where Koroush comes in. One of the worst things I have noticed in every wiki and website I have been to is that a group of older players believe themselves to always be right and generally always get their way no matter the circumstances - that is something that should not be allowed to happen in this wikipedia. Koroush needs to stay here for that reason, but he does need to be more respectful and tone down, so the one thing I do agree with is that admin should ask him to modify his behaviour on this wiki, but no bans, as he is a needed force here. Pierric Bross 09:48, 28 December 2008 (EET)

MiniBill, as user, speech

I somehow agree with Honestly. That's why I tried to behave nicely and choose not to just permaban him --Mini "Template boy" Bill have a biscuit 20:29, 28 December 2008 (EET)

MiniBill proposal

• +1 on warning.
• +1 on "minor" punishment
• -1 on permanent ban

ThisGenMedia on MiniBill proposal

• +1 on warning -- see comment #2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThisGenMedia (talk • contribs)

AgentChieftain comment

There's a clear advantage to having a devil's advocate, but there is absolutely no advantage in having an editor constantly insult everyone and devote his time on the wiki to harassment, especially when he chooses to break the rules on a daily basis and disregard consensus. Also, I'm signing this just to see where it goes. You don't see these things every day. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 20:43, 28 December 2008 (EET)

TGM's Comment

I think a very, very strict line needs to be drawn. Koroush's actions are clearly in defiance of general wiki etiquette and deny any real chance for this wiki to grow. Personally, I have stopped editing because of him and other things. It's not worth it. His vendetta would not allow me to edit anything without providing a source for every other sentence, even when common knowledge. Even when sourced, that source immediately becomes "illegitimate". This is a plague on the wiki that needs to be dealt with. Punish him, I don't care. Make it clear, if he does it again, he's gone. Anything less and you'll see other users leaving very quickly. This is not an ultimatum, just a prediction.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 19:21, 3 January 2009 (EET)

QJ Lincoln speech

The wiki is a community writing experience. We have to look at a user's actions as what they contribute to the community and what damage they do to it. Most of us are here because we want to create something. We want to share knowledge with other players, add information, or aid the community with our skills. To participate in the community, you must come to it with a sense of calmness. You can't take things personally. You can't hold grudges. These things get in the way of what we are all here for.
A person who takes edits and comments to HIS pages personally, who is vindictive, and/or who never lets issues go, is not conducive to the community. His or her very attitude brings down the entire community morale and productivity. A person's general attitude and apparent habit to be contrary for the sake of being contrary takes away any of the good that they might have given to the community.
Devil's advocates are needed in a wiki - but only if they are respectful and not harassing or vindictive. --QJ Lincoln 02:48, 29 December 2008 (EET)

PrincessMedyPi

Typically, I choose to remain silent in these issues because I do not want to be targeted in the edit war for speaking my mind. To me, the wiki community is one in which we should be able to put aside our differences and work to create an aesthetically apealling learning and reference tool for the eRepublik community. I feel that if this community is bombarded by destruction that we are no longer able to fulfill this purpose. I agree that differing opinions drive our creative processes, but if this is done in a non-constructive, offensive way then it becomes a hinderance to the project as a whole. It is my wish that the admins will do whatever they feel is correct in order to assure that we can work in a pro-social, productive manner and work in a respectful, warm environment. -- PrincessMedyPi 10:42, 29 December 2008 (EET)

You should be admin ;)

+1 --TheSupernatural Who wants to be a Supernatural?The SaNdBoX 03:39, 6 January 2009 (EET)

Admin (question)

We have wrote him a message with our opinion regarding this subject, but has anyone tried to explain him what he must change/improve, which were the edits that were out of line or what rules/policies he has breached and why? --Admin 19:24, 6 January 2009 (EET)

I have, on multiple occasions during these discussions, but he tends to ignore whatever other editors say and instead plead directly to you in private. - –Dr. AgentChieftain ^“PPP!” _{B / C / D / F / P / S} 21:24, 6 January 2009 (EET)

I thank the Admins for actually looking at this. There are multiple places where people have showed Koroush the proper way to edit, he simply disregards them. I will continue to help him along the way and hope he can continue to improve pages. I gave him some helpful advice on Talk:Iran and will see if he follows it. If not, so be it. He is a big boy and can face his own consequences.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 04:06, 7 January 2009 (EET)

Resolution

After analyzing Aryamehr's talk page we have concluded that no efforts were made to solve this issue in a diplomatic way. We consider that bringing personal disputes in the Bar BEFORE trying to discuss with that person is not constructive. Articles talk pages are for discussions regarding articles. Therefore, in the future, if you have an attitude/behavior disagreement with another contributor about their edits, we kindly ask you to leave a message to their talk page with the link to the edits and with your opinion about them. Thanks for your support! --Admin 12:53, 9 January 2009 (EET)

I'm truly shocked the admins did nothing. TRULY SHOCKED. Really, guys, do you view anything BUT user talk pages? Frankly, even if no one wrote on his talk, he was told multiple times he was acting in a disrespectful and rude manner. Talk:Pakistan and formerly Talk:embed before it was deleted (I WONDER WHY, Koroush was a saint on that page!). AC has a WHOLE LIST on his sandbox dedicated to Koroush and his vandalism. But no, you choose to overlook it, find a loophole, and dismiss anything. I'm done with this wiki. The incompetency of running this is shocking. Goodbye, Admins, I'm sure I'll be banned for this post, I don't care. You screwed up the game and now you're screwing up the wiki.
- ThisGenMedia aka Franco aka Teacher / Hey girl, can I hit you back? 00:10, 10 January 2009 (EET)

Wow. You ONLY looked at HIS talk page history?! That is rather disappointing. Most discussions went on in the talk pages of individual articles and efforts were made to diplomatically solve the issue on those pages and in the Bar. Why greater weight is assigned to user talk pages I simply do not understand. Very disappointing. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 00:23, 10 January 2009 (EET)

The embed talk page still exsists, just in a new location: Click here--~✭βƓЪὢ✭~ 00:43, 10 January 2009 (EET)

I am happy with how this has turned out. Should anyone have a problem with someone's edits they bring it up to that respective users talk page as it is a problem with the user and not the edited page itself.Pierric Bross 01:51, 10 January 2009 (EET)

Admins: If you need more proof, look at Talk:ThisGenMedia. There is no more further reason why he should be given the boot. It was pure retaliation for me doing constructive editing on his page.