Talk:Second Baltic War
Contents
Proposal
Just to make it clearer and easier to follow: User:Khebit/Sandbox2. Thoughts? Improvements? ||||||Khebit TC| 10:08, 2 May 2011 (PDT)
Turkey
Should the Turky/Ukraine conflict be included? China is included, so it seems it should. -- Citizen 6 Talk 13:31, 13 May 2011 (PDT)
- hmmm ... After looking it over more deeply, looks like Ukraine got bumped out of the war by Belarus, and so went after Turkey. Can't tell for sure, but seems Ukraine NEd first and launched the first attack, so ... is that conflict to be considered a part of 2Baltic, or should it be left to go its own route? -- Citizen 6 Talk 20:06, 13 May 2011 (PDT)
- Well, China arrived to the Baltic sea, Turkey didn't :/ ||||||Khebit TC| 04:31, 14 May 2011 (PDT)
- I'm not sure that should matter, any war could expand beyond an original area. I don't think Ukraine even reached the Baltic Sea. I think it has more to do with alliances, not place. Anyway though, if Turkey had attacked (or planned) to help ONE/ABC I would say they should be in this war. If it was Ukraine being just without anyone else to attack, it is a different motive. Anyone know why Ukraine NEd, and which did it first. Looks like Ukraine did. -- Citizen 6 Talk 13:50, 14 May 2011 (PDT)
- Well, China arrived to the Baltic sea, Turkey didn't :/ ||||||Khebit TC| 04:31, 14 May 2011 (PDT)
Denmark and Norway
Should Denmark and Norway be included in this war? They are eating away at Sweden. -- Citizen 6 Talk 23:06, 14 May 2011 (PDT)
Outdated
This one needs updates in a big way. And looks like Turkey got into this by Ukraine-Turkey War then attacked Russia, so which war should that be covered under? -- Citizen 6 Talk 00:11, 29 May 2011 (PDT)
by region after 1273
I tried to dig these up, but can't say how accurate they are. Review and add to the article. -- Citizen 6 Talk 00:18, 30 May 2011 (PDT)
UPDATE: Added Lat and Lith to the article up to May 29. But DOES NOT have RW. -- Citizen 6 Talk 03:41, 8 June 2011 (PDT)
Estonia
Estonia needs to be updated from 1273. Peace with Russia on May 28-29. -- Citizen 6 Talk 00:17, 30 May 2011 (PDT)
here is the rest from 1273. most dates are prob wrong. no resistance wars included. Battles are correct. wanted to get it up before we lose the track. -- Citizen 6 Talk 00:08, 2 June 2011 (PDT)
Date | Attacker | Region | Defender | Result | |||
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16 May 2011 Day 1273 |
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Kirde-Eesti |
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17 May 2011 Day 1274 |
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Moscow and Central Russia |
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18 May 2011 Day 1275 |
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Volga Vyatka |
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19 May 2011 Day 1276 |
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Urals |
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20 May 2011 Day 1277 |
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Kirde-Eesti |
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21 May 2011 Day 1278 |
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Moscow and Central Russia |
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22 May 2011 Day 1279 |
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Kirde-Eesti |
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23 May 2011 Day 1280 |
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Moscow and Central Russia |
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24 May 2011 Day 1281 |
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Louna-Eesti |
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25 May 2011 Day 1282 |
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Moscow and Central Russia |
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Peace on 29. then E went for Finland.
Turkey-Russia War
Is the current Turkey-Russia War part of this, or should it be covered on its own? -- Citizen 6 Talk 01:55, 30 May 2011 (PDT)
- On it's own IMO, at least until they arrive to Northern Russia/Baltic Sea/ABC countries. Also, I'm sorry but I won't be able to keep updated the pages until 14/16 June due to RL issues. ||||||Khebit TC| 02:36, 30 May 2011 (PDT)
Facts about Finland-Sweden-Estonia situation
The article states:
“ Sweden would also join the attack against Finland to assist its Estonian allies and prepare for potential future actions against Finland ” | |
(Article)
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However the case isn't this. This is taken from Finnish Government newspaper:'
“ Swedish NE proposal isn't hostile move even though Sweden is now member of ONE. Sweden will create a buffer zone between Finland and Estonia, so that Estonia needs to declare war to Sweden first if they want to attack Finland. ” | |
(English translation of [Valtio Tiedottaa D1249] Kaikki hyökkää (in Finnish))
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Swedish officials says following:
“ Finland needed help getting rid of their war with Estonia. I know that this may seem like a strange way of helping out but trust me when I say that the government of Finland has agreed that this is the best course of action right now. ” | |
(Valnad - President of Sweden at the time [1])
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“ Vi hjälper finnarna! (We help Finns) ” | |
(Lidskjalf - Swedish MoD at the time [2])
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Conclusion: Article provides incorrect information about Swedish attack at Finland.
Another thing about Finland-Sweden stuff also caught my eye:
“ The Chinese impact did manage to push Sweden back to its original regions and at the same time help to liberate Finland. ” | |
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Every Finnish resistance war against Sweden had 100% support of Swedish government - Chinese attack didn't have anything to do with liberating Finland from Sweden.
“ PRIORITY TWO: Fight for Finland in Western Finland - DON´T FIGHT FOR SWEDEN ” | |
([The Swedish Military] Day 1261 Southern Finland (Swedish military orders saying to fight for Finland)
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I fixed them a bit (feel free to make it better) -- sampo555 | Talk 04:53, 8 June 2011 (PDT)
- cool. not a lot of country participant editing on this one, so good to clarify. Sweden went ONE and then went to war with China (EDEN) so that is probably why other media is paints an inaccurate picture. But I am curious, why was Finland being occupied by Sweden if they were all good buddies? Maybe we can add that in there somewhere. -- Citizen 6 Talk 08:40, 8 June 2011 (PDT)
- Sweden conquered Finland only to gain ownership of Southern Finland - the only region that has common border with Estonia (to create buffer zone between Finland and Estonia and thus help Finland to stop Estonian attacks). Finland RW'd Finnish regions from Estonia and Sweden conquered them right after to move further south (Sweden had to pass trough almost every Finnish region to reach Southern Finland). However the last RW of Southern Finland was won by Estonia so Finland wasn't able to "give" the region to Sweden. As attacks start automatically after 24h Sweden attacked Aland and thus conquered whole Finland (except Southern and Eastern Finland (which was in Russian hands ATM if I remember correctly)).
- Plan was to try again to RW Southern Finland so that Sweden could take control over it. Then our president got sick RL and the plan was put on hold. In the end Russia conquered Southern Finland from Estonia and Sweden had started war with Russia. Due to these things the plan of handing Southern Finland to Sweden was dropped completely and Russia took Sweden's place as buffer between Finland and Estonia. After this Finnish regions were liberated from Swedish occupation. So the Finland-Sweden war was completely strategic move... -- sampo555 | Talk 09:06, 8 June 2011 (PDT)