eRepublik Official Wiki talk:Suggest

Purpose

Sup? --Aryamehr talk 07:53, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

/me have no slightest idea what is this -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 08:15, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I guess we can expect the whole forum to be removed soon. --Aryamehr talk 08:35, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I don't think so, Belea said something like "forum focus will shift towards contacting with specific groups of users (3 hidden boards for now)" -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 05:01, 28 May 2011 (PDT)

Aha, ok. I did not know that. Useless having the forums for that only though if that's the complete plans. --Aryamehr talk 05:04, 28 May 2011 (PDT)

Consider it an "alternative" for now. If a Wiki contributor has thoughts/opinions/feedback/suggestions about a "non" Wiki topic, it will be easier to find it here than to "dig" for it in the forum. --Belea2008 08:13, 31 May 2011 (PDT)

People... do not forget adding "Comments"

And it would be nice if people didn't copy paste things. Atleast tell us what to discuss, and motivate their ideas. --Aryamehr talk 07:16, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

I think this needs some MediaWiki magic like preload -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 07:29, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

I think I broke the page. :S --Belea2008 08:43, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

Interesting, Grzechooo.

Belea, it sure does look weird.

On a side note, Belea, it would have been much better if you had taken up the points from #erep-meetings. -Aryamehr talk 15:34, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

Those are the points from #erep-meetings - I took that full list from here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/international-meeting-our-suggestions-1785691/1/20 - if something is missing from the Wiki page, just add it, please. --Belea2008 00:07, 3 June 2011 (PDT)

I dunno who that guy is. He is missing some things that were orginally from the #erep-meetings. For example, where is the judicial module idea? No, contracts does not mean judicial module. Sure, they are connected - but not exactly the same thing.

He is missing a few things as I said. It seems like he took up only the points I cared about himself. --Aryamehr talk 05:02, 3 June 2011 (PDT)

And here are his further answers regarding my concerns: http://pastebin.com/XgMBMfzd - I'm going to edit the page some more (I'll also add the "Comments" sections in the discussions which do not have them). --Belea2008 05:30, 3 June 2011 (PDT)

For some reason I can't open that page. Says it can't connect. --Aryamehr talk 04:49, 4 June 2011 (PDT)

This is ridiculous

It's been a week or something, and already I find it hard to navigate this place, due to the wiki not being designed to support 'thread-like' topics - there are about 1 gazillion sections. I can barely be arsed to look through the page. Not only that, but I also feel like discussing here will not affect erep at all, as it failed to do so in the forum. • John F. Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 15:39, 4 June 2011 (PDT)

this is the reason i am not active here, because it is so messy. hard to read, hard to comment. it is time consuming etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehr (talk • contribs)

Hey, at least here Belea is giving some answers and explaining things unlike at the forums where Plato only posted "We've sent this suggestion to Game Design department". Wiki is not ideal place for discussion that's for sure. But the discussion itself looks a lot better than the trolling and whining at forum with no proper answers from eRepublik Team. -- sampo555 | Talk 23:10, 4 June 2011 (PDT)

Belea could do the same on the forums. That is no excuse. >_> • John F. Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 01:48, 5 June 2011 (PDT)

I tend to agree with Jan Baker (who I am now just calling JB :-)). But Sampo seems correct so far that the trolling is not as pungent - yet. But this is a monstrous page and a bit hard to follow. Threaded forums are just easier, or at least more familiar for these types of discussions. Maybe we could create "child" pages to organize the discussion better. As in eRepublik:Suggest/War Module, or eRepublik:Suggest/Economy Module, etc. I dunno, still prefer a threaded approach, but perhaps child articles could give us a similar effect. As it is, this thing is gonna be a massive WoT, and I wonder if it won't reach a max cache at some point. Even if we archive, it might be a problem, not to mention the same issues popping up time and again. Stickies typically help prevent that from happening on forums, but perhaps we could emulate them if the main page acts more as a portal instead of essentially one big talk page. Basically, me thinks we need to funnel the discussion better and make it more accessible. Pretty intimidating already, and it will only get worse. -- Citizen 6 _Talk   03:53, 5 June 2011 (PDT)

If Belea wants to keep this place alive, he should install some "forum" extension like Extension:LiquidThreads -- Grzechooo ^{drop a line} 10:23, 7 June 2011 (PDT)

I'll adhere to any organization you consider fit for this "suggestions project" (as long as we don't need an engineer - installing extensions requires an engineer). If you wish an eRepublik:Bar-like organization, I'm all right with it. "Child" pages are all interesting too. Portal structure is fine too. --Belea2008 08:39, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

How about a forum. You know, the things designed specifically for internet conversations? • John F. Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 12:42, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

So. This is still here? lol. I thought it would be deleted or fixed already. You can't read it, you can't comment it. (Actually you can, if you want to have a headache after spending a couple hours finding and comment) --Aryamehr talk 13:37, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

Dead project

After a preliminary talk with User:John F Baker and the useful advice of User:Grzechooo - this project is "not working". (No Wiki engineers, not viable project.) I really wanted a place for people to tell us their thoughts and other stuff in a public environment. I will continue to believe that evolution comes from both citizens and team members. Not as separate groups, but engaged in civilized discussions. After so many attempts towards this, I have no more energy to put into a similar effort for the time being. As of now, the whole concept of "organized public communication" is dead in the water. :( --Belea2008 09:47, 16 June 2011 (PDT)

Maybe because 99.999% of people cannot into MediaWiki? Forum was better :/ ||||||Khebit ^T_C| 09:53, 16 June 2011 (PDT)

I had MediaWiki account and what? There are no discussion, no really answers. So no point of writing. (--Adam Nowacki 10:04, 16 June 2011 (PDT))

For a start, you chose completely the wrong platform for this suggestion project, which is in essence a good idea. If you had structured it around a forum, it would be more accessible, more logical and more manageable. Not only that, but when there's no evidence of team members actually observing the ideas and giving THEIR feedback (and seeing results), then I can't see this working anyway.

I appreciate your aims, and I'm kinda sorry, but the area you should've been looking to improve on was actual user - staff communication, not just moving the place where people put ideas.

Ideas for keeping spam low on the forums:

(1) - As someone pointed out, get erep citizens to moderate and keep the forums clean, and present excellent ideas to the staff.

(2) - You have a bunch of full-time coders and web designers - use them to somehow create a special area for respected and older citizens to discuss ideas.

(3) - Get staff to actually talk to citizens, in response to ideas, and implement them occasionally :|

	“ I think that the fact that nobody from "the team" bothered to comment on any of recent entries is even worse. Does switching discussion to Wiki have any sense if even here our words are not read and feeling of hopelessness is not gone? Where is so called "communication"? Because "customer service" is a thing that was always mythical here. ”
	(Bukimi, 05:15, 16 June 2011 (PDT))

So yeah. Consider listening to our suggestions before removing the forums, and creating what you alone think will be a good idea. Kinda like what you had in mind with this suggestion project. - • John F. Baker (Talk | Contribs) • 11:56, 16 June 2011 (PDT)

It took you all this time and discussion with two wiki editors to realize this? Unbelivable. This is why I say you never learn. Next time I really suggest you to talk to a few people older players who have a bunch of experience before doing anything, really. I am not joking. Everyone knew this was going to die. There are so many different ways to do this. --Aryamehr talk 11:59, 16 June 2011 (PDT)

Did you think about implementing any of suggestions that appeared here or was it just an area for our writing from the beginning? I just can't understand why you limit communication with users step by step. You look like you are very scared of dissatisfaction and as soon as anybody says something is wrong with this game, you shut the whole platform of communication down and remain silent! Moreover, all the time you remind us that all changes have to be possible without any engineer or even without effort. Sorry, Belea - are you the only remaining worker here?! I understand that all money goes to you as a developer and nothing goes for any improvement... (beware of costs, they are as scary as dissatisfaction!) --Bukimi 11:31, 20 June 2011 (PDT)

If you so like the concept of closed garden, set up a forum with pre-emptive moderation where posts need to be approved before being shown. vBB has already every tool you need. You just have to find 5 min to set it up in the current forums when they're going to be reopened. --Furio ^"UBW" 12:21, 16 June 2011 (PDT)

I do wonder how many times you have to face the facts to believe them - and leave this awful administration...?--Quicksilver 04:59, 17 June 2011 (PDT)