Talk:Eire Aonair

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Goku stop editing this page and falsifying information. As the creator of the party, I think I would know more about the party than you, so please refrain from adding fictional or false content to the page. Thank you. --Ian E Coleman 22:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting the PP Election Results? Like it or not, the election happened.--Goku Jones 22:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
The last result shouldn't be included in the history of the party because A) You weren't elected. B) You weren't a member. Same goes for the contributions section. You didn't do that as a member of Eire Aonair, as you have never been a member of Eire Aonair. You're behaviour excludes you from meeting the criteria to be a member, even if you have been on the mechanical list. Go edit the Bremen Clubhouse page. You're only falsifying information on this page. --Ian E Coleman 22:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Here are the election results, there really is no point in debating this. I have a source to back me up. You are also deleting constructive edits with no discussion. I spent alot of time on that edit so it is sad to see it deleted twice with no discussion. --Goku Jones 23:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh boo hoo. I have no patience for this. --Ian E Coleman 23:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit Warring: We shouldn't be doing it. I understand that we are both too involved with this to edit neutrally, but since no other editors have responded to posts in the bar and IRC we are going to have to do our best even though it isn't ideal. Can I suggest that we both refrain from reverting wholesale each others contributions and only discuss/edit? --Goku Jones 09:49, 20 April 2011 (PDT)

I will be continuing to revert any edits that I know to contain fictional information. --Ian E Coleman 10:55, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
Why are you continually deleting my edits without discussion? I tried to be as fair and neutral as possible and didn't criticize you at all, but you keep reverting to an edit which has many accusations and claims without proof such as saying that I'm trying to destroy Ireland. This is supposed to be neutral. . Furthermore, it is a matter of fact that I won the PP election, so why are you editing me out over and over again? Finally you are reverting the page without using the revert feature, which seems to be covering up what is happening.--Goku Jones 13:44, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
Goku. Euphemisms and lies are not neutral. You can insult me all you want, but what you are doing is reverting the page in favour of fictional information. I'd rather be banned from the wiki than allow you to abuse your ability to edit pages this way. --Ian E Coleman 14:57, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
What exactly are lies, euphemisms and not neutrals? You keep adding that the party was "defaced" and now "intended to destroy Ireland" also that "Goku Jones changed the party into the Bremen Clubhouse, voiding any term as PP of Eire Aonair" which is your opinion. Oh and I'm an an "illegal immigrant". I just hope that another editor can come in, restore my edit and help us keep things neutral.--Goku Jones 15:45, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
What you did was similar to what happened to Independent Voiced before the wipe - except much worse and a lot less interesting. You are an illegal immigrant. By turning the party into a PTO club immediately after becoming PP, you never served as party PP. And an example of something false that you wrote what that you said the party split into two factions. Actually, everyone who was in the party didn't like you. All of your supporters only came after you gave the party to the PTOers and started attracting 2-clickers through Maddog sending out letters saying that the Irish government was paying off the British or something ridiculous. I will continue to revert any edits that I know to contain fictional information. --Ian E Coleman 09:33, 21 April 2011 (PDT) <- Parties Destroyed by BCH. Check the Irish wiki page, this is the party page for the BCH political party "revision" that Goku came up with. Given that this is the way the BCH chooses to see the revision, I don't think words like abolish, or mutation are too harsh. And just changing the wording on the BCH doesn't fix this. If someone reads this in the future I encourage them to look at the history of the BCH page and verify that this is how the BCH chooses to remember what happened to Eire Aonair. --Ian E Coleman 09:45, 21 April 2011 (PDT)

Reverting edits

Please stop it, the both of you. All problematic parts of the article should from now on be raised HERE, in the talk page, for everyone to discuss; not via final edits to the article. - John F Baker Icon-UK.png Talk/Royal Navy 16:05, 20 April 2011 (PDT)

Thank you! I think we have three areas of contention. The introduction, the history section and the PP listing. Could you look over Jan's annotations on the page and let us know what you think Ian?--Goku Jones 11:32, 21 April 2011 (PDT)
You can see what I think in the last two paragraphs by me above. I don't think any changes are appropriate from my last edit. --Ian E Coleman 14:02, 21 April 2011 (PDT)
You can't see how the words you have used are biased? You can't use adjectives like that. Not trying to censor you posting what BCH does, you just have to do it in a neutral way. Other editors agree that this could be better, so why don't we work to improve it?--Goku Jones 16:35, 21 April 2011 (PDT)
I wish both of you would stop bickering like little children and find a truly neutral party, provide them with all the facts you believe to be true and get them to fix it up the article with what they believe to be the facts from cross referencing the information and using other information sources. This is just a random solution I thought of. Even if they are not willing to do just force it one them. =P Maybe be get more than one person, who is well and truly neutral (someone who doesn't know anything about this party), to edit this article and work in collaboration with both of you who are involved. --Irasian 18:41, 22 April 2011 (GMT+10)
That's easily said. I've been asking for help for a few days now.--Goku Jones 02:07, 22 April 2011 (PDT)
If I was to try to find and I do find some people would you, Goku Jones and Ian E Coleman, be willing to go along with this idea? --Irasian 21:34, 22 April 2011 (GMT+10)
Of course, that's what I've been asking for.--Goku Jones 05:22, 22 April 2011 (PDT)
It's a good idea Irasian. So long as neither of us have contact with this person either. Where would this person get access to that information though? --Ian E Coleman 11:18, 22 April 2011 (PDT)
If both of you, Ian and Goku, posted your information on separate google docs and sent me the links I could give the link to this other person/people. That would be the main source of information and if they/him/her had any questions I could either post the question here or pm both of ye in-game so the person(s) who was fixing this up would remain anonymous. Would this be agreeable to both of you? --Irasian 11:04, 23 April 2011 (GMT+10)
I can do that Irasian. It sounds like a good idea. Thank you for taking the initiative to come up with a solution. How soon do you need the info? --Ian E Coleman 18:28, 23 April 2011 (PDT)
Anytime is good =] --Irasian 12:48, 24 April 2011 (GMT+10)
Not sure why we have to use google docs, my version which Ian reverts when I upload, it is right here: --Goku Jones 13:23, 9 May 2011 (PDT)
It seems Goku hasn't replied since you won the argument, Ian. I suggest that you can edit for now and if it happens again, I'll be banning both of you for a week from the wiki. I can't take people acting like school children on a wiki read by thousands of people per week. -- Icon-Austria.png Mikhail Alexander 16:03, 7 May 2011 (PDT)
Fair enough. Thank you, and sorry about all of this. --Ian E Coleman 12:55, 9 May 2011 (PDT)
I have been incredibly busy IRL which is why I didn't reply, making the time I spend here all the more valuable where I put lots of effort into editing pages in good faith. I didn't launch attacks on other players on a public wiki page, tell other editors to stay away from a page on talk pages, revert anyone's edits(I did revert reverts) or refuse to compromise and I continually asked for help. Yet I am a schoolchild who should be banned? I don't understand what I did wrong. Does this mean that Ian can write whatever he likes about me on "his" pages now? --Goku Jones 13:21, 9 May 2011 (PDT)

Adressing Some of the Notes

I've gone through and edited some of the party stance section to take out person problems. Note: on the PTO section - this section was here before the BCH was even thought of as a big problem. And I don't see there as being any bias, but I can add that these are beliefs of the party if so necessary. If these edits are seen as violation of the editing war terms or whatever just revert them - and my apologies in that case. --Ian E Coleman 11:43, 22 April 2011 (PDT)

I'm editing the former party stance sections into descriptions of different sections of the actual constitution. It doesn't say anywhere that these things are necessarily true, just says that this is what is stated in the parties constitution. That should be sufficient for neutrality concerns at least in this area. --Ian E Coleman 13:47, 9 May 2011 (PDT)

Ok let's try this again: I've tried to take out some of the bias in the April and May history sections. The article needs to be neutral so that people can make up their own mind up about what happened. Words like "defaced" and "PTO" are matters of opinion, but the information is in there for people to come to that opinion if they think that way. Saying that it is "unfortunate" that a candidate did not run, and implying that the May election was contested are also biased. I also removed some duplicated info in the contributions section. --Goku Jones 14:23, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

Why did you remove duplicates in the contributions sections? Those were their contributions, please don't delete them. --Ian E Coleman 10:45, 25 May 2011 (PDT)

Nevermind, I realized that you changed the paragraph above, which makes this fine. --Ian E Coleman 13:10, 25 May 2011 (PDT)