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SEPTEMBER VOLUNTEERS NEEDED

To the wiki community,
Are you looking to get more involved in the wiki? Are you looking to improve your wiki editing, writing, and/or coding skills? Are you looking to pick up some extra gold? Below is a list of tasks and ongoing projects that require help from the wiki community. EREPUBLIK NEEDS YOU!

Input needed

  • Need thoughts about template redesign and people with the energy and know how that are willing to refurbish templates for the entire wiki, see eRepublik:Bar/Debate 9
  • Identify more Uber Editors and Sysops

Special Projects

  • Create redirects between city names and regions (In Progress)
Hey there, was mainly looking at the redirecting project if it hasn't been looked at already. So it's mainly creating redirect pages from the listed capitals to all the region pages? Would there be an easy way to access all the cities that we're looking at redirecting and their respective regions? ----Metic 18:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Most of the cities that need links are listed on the country's page. These are mainly for the "old" created in 2007 countries. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 16:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, alright. I've started compiling regions and their cities as listed in their region pages. Just for clarification, it's creating the redirects (with the #redirect region) from the city to their respective regions?
ie. Canberra -> New South Wales
Trenton -> New Jersey
Just wasn't that sure because it seems that some of these pages, ie. Trenton, Darwin, Nagoya, have been deleted before. ----Metic 19:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes. They were deleted in May. All redirects were wiped from the system in May.... You are free to restore the pages, make sure they are restored properly though.

All redirects done alphabetially, country-wise, up to Canada. Taking a break and also a chance for you guys to point out if I did something wrong. ----Metic 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Update, done up and including Denmark. ----Metic 23:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished the last of my current compilation, up to Germany. Gonna have to compile more cities and get back to this in a bit. ----Metic 22:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Do you need a help here? I could lend you a hand.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 07:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Certainly wouldn't mind it. I'm up to Indonesia now. Thanks ----Metic 10:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Iran, Ireland, Israel, Italy and Japan done. I started doing Latvia but found only one capital(Riga). When looking through Lithuanian regions, I found only one that had been previously deleted, Vilnius. For Lithuania however, there were capitals mentioned but they have never been redirected. Should we also redirect those capitals?--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 15:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
QJ mentioned earlier that it was mainly for the "old" countries. I assumed that it was because of the mayor elections but I have no idea whether that's true. I've only been doing the ones created in 2007.
Ok, thanks. So we'll only need to focus on recreating those redirects and not creating completely new ones.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 21:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Mexico, Moldavia, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, and Portugal done. On Netherlands' region pages I couldn't find capitals for Western, Northern or Southern Netherlands.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 08:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I did a little research and came to a conclusion about those three regions. "Amsterdam" now redirects to Western Netherlands. This is because in the page History of the Netherlands Amsterdam was said to be the capital of the country. What about those other two regions then? They I just guessed. I found a list of big cities in Netherlands and tried searching their names here. I learned "Maastricht" and "Groningen" had been deleted from the wiki before. Maastricht now redirects to Southern Netherlands because in real life it "is situated on both sides of the Meuse river in the south-eastern part of the Netherlands"[1]. Northern Netherlands was the one left for Groningen, and according to the wikipedia the Groeningen provinche(which capital city Groningen is) is "the northeasternmost province of the Netherlands."[2] I have a feeling I got them right. Please correct and fix them if I didn't.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 13:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Romania, Russia, Slovakia, South Korea and Spain done(someone else had already completed South Africa). I could have done few more but my internet connection comes and goes and it's driving me crazy. --Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 09:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand and Turkey done.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 10:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
...Ukraine, UK and USA done.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 15:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Venezuela done. I now declare this job finished as all countries created in 2007 now have their capital cities redirected to corresponding region pages. No we'll just have to wait for admins to bring mayors back to the game. :D --Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 17:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:awesome: Good work! --Belea2008 08:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing Projects

Anyone is free to tackle any of these projects. Feel free to ask any questions here. Gold will be paid out to the people that take on the most labor intensive tasks, who put in a lot of work and effort, and who do a THOROUGH job. We can always see what you have done by looking at your user contributions. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's Talk About Templates

... I don't mean the common templates. I want to talk about some of the other templates. In my opinion, too many templates are being created. I do not see the utility in what I call "navigation templates" for regions, people, or parties of a particular country. This information can be found just as easily by clicking the CATEGORY that is automatically added to the bottom of the page. To see what I mean look at the bottom of this region page Shannon and one for parties at the bottom of the page Czech Right Union. Though I appreciate the boldness and enthusiasm that some people are showing, it is getting a bit ridiculous. Our energies should be put into something that isn't duplicating effort or functionality.

I want to know, are these navigation templates REALLY helpful to users? Remember these are duplicate efforts of the categories, and become outdated quickly.
Thoughts?
PS.. If it means we do more with categories then that is fine too. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, they are unnecessary. The ideal is either a regional category or a navigation box, not both. And since most editors are forbidden to work on templates, it is possible they become outdated quickly. Therefore I see the category option as the only viable solution. ~Rep Yell Repicon.png 20:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I also agree. My vote is for categories. --Belea2008 23:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
But it is getting everyone who creates and updates these templates to buy in. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 03:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I think the problem is more with the editors not knowing about these unknown guidelines. A ton of people come in to edit their citizen's, country's, party's page and not much else. I'll even say that is why I'm here. But then, these templates seem to have been created way back, (before the 'engineer' usergroup was made?) and I doubt much of these are being created? I don't know. Personally, I don't mind them and lean towards them as long as they're updated. But again, I don't know what you have in mind when you say more can be done with categories.  :P ----Metic 03:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Metic, I have been trying to formalize some of the guidelines. Look at Help:Contents on the sidebar are two new guides on how to deal with pages. Yes, the region templates were created awhile ago. As for what we mean about categories, look at the page linked in my original post. If you go to any region page in the wiki, it is automatically in the category of "Region of Country" If a user wants to see the other regions of the country, he or she can just click the category link. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 22:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

All the templates for in-game achievements have been updated with the new icons. The pages should be protected now that they are updated. --Chris Stanwick 22:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Geography Updates

Note: Please submit ticket to "report a bug" if you discover Geographic issues.

So we're only missing Asia?--Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Asia done. There were few region pages that were already updated but I went through them all and fixed the rest. I now declare this task finished!--Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 18:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

--adi.furk Icon-Romania.png i want fallout in eRepublik

Germany
  • Brandenburg ---> Brandenburg and Berlin -region name change completed ----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 04:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Schleswig-Holstein ---> Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg -region name change completed----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 06:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Lower Saxony ---> Lower Saxony and Bremen -region name change completed --Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 08:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Iran
  • Northern Iran ---> Mazandaran and Golistan -region name change completed earlier --Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 08:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Laws / Rules Explanation updates

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Forbidden#Rule_4_Illegal_.2F_Unjust_properties

Thanks Adi.furk, usually when you make comments in the bar, it is to give us more work to do :D --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 16:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

New Guides

I have developed two guides to help wiki editors.

  • Help:Style Guide - Provides general guidance on wiki style, particularly on naming pages, abbreviations, dates, deletion, etc.
  • Help:What to do if... - Provides guidance on how to deal with wiki pages when the situation in the game changes. This includes what to do if a region is conquered, a citizen dies, etc. This should put all guidance in one place instead of combing through old Bar pages. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 17:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
+1 :awesome: --Belea2008 00:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Template creation

I made a Swedish translation of the MenuV1 template, located here. Can someone with the privileges create it for me? WeirdLittleFella 09:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. You're welcome! --Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 09:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Username Change

Can I request that my wiki username be changed to Prince Terence II? As my account was banned yesterday.

But, I am still appealing on it. I hope that they would lift the temp ban. ---• • <font-color="amber">Prince Terence I</font> Icon-Philippines.png <font-color="#000000">Y Speak?! • • </font> 12:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Let us know what's the final decision about your appeal. Thanks in advance! --Belea2008 00:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's final. I'm banned. You could now change my Username into Prince Terence II. Please pm me after if you have finally changed it. Thanks!

Here is my profile link: http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1901608--• • <font-color="amber">Prince Terence I</font> Icon-Philippines.png <font-color="#000000">Y Speak?! • • </font> 13:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

"The user "Prince Terence I" has been renamed to "Prince Terence II". May you contribute much and well! --Belea2008 14:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! :D---• • <font-color="amber">Prince Terence I</font> Icon-Philippines.png <font-color="#000000">Y Speak?! • • </font> 00:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Case sensitive leftovers

Some cleanup

I found those page, and I think they're completely useless. If someone thinks they should stay, drop a line here. Otherwise I'm going to delete them soon. --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 10:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:Austrian Congresses is now in use. ----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 12:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Some ideas

Dear editors!
While I was learning for my September exams, I come up with some ideas and I tried to implement one for history pages: History/15_September_2009. The segments of history are divided into 4 main segments:

  • Trade Embargoes
  • Alliances
  • Wars - I have divided them into 3 categories divided with <br> (see History/13_September_2009):
    • Wars started on that day
    • Wars ended on that day
    • Resistance Wars
  • Peace treaties
  • There is a possibility for implementing 5 segment - Other main events, but I think that it should be implemented only when there is some other event (like newspaper article, implementing new feature, or something like that).

And I have implemented some corrections to succession template on 2007 history articles, the succeed and preceded dates are corrected so that they lead to the existing articles.
I will have some time in October to implement this on every history article, but I would like to hear your thoughts before I try to implement it. --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 11:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I like what you did with the 13 September article. Rather than using breaks in the war section, I think it looks better with sub-sections. The only problem I see with your idea is that it deals primarily with war. Four sections are not enough. Don't forget Politics, Elections, and General news as well. Chris Stanwick 15:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
War is a big part of this game and battles are perhaps the only events that touch the whole world. It is common knowledge that elections take place in specific dates in every months so I don't think it's necessary to have a separate section for elections or politics. In my opinion elections are worth mentioning if a country got politically taken over, but it would go under the fifth section mentioned, wouldn't it? I personally like this idea and am looking forward for it to be implemented on all the history pages.--Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 05:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm...I suppose you are right. Impeachments, PTOs, and such can be included in a fifth section for non-military events. --Chris Stanwick 14:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The politics affairs are quite rare, but yes, the fifth section would be reserved for them. --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
As nobody objected on this idea, it will be implemented in next month to all history pages of V1. In the meanwhile, I have updated BETA history from the beginning until Day 330 of the New World (beginning of V1). ;) --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 19:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I am. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_world
"Human history is marked both by a gradual accretion of discoveries and inventions, as well as by quantum leaps—paradigm shifts, revolutions—that comprise epochs in the material and spiritual evolution of humankind."
In that whole page, war is mentioned especially in modern history and mainly by two events (the two world wars).
What I'm trying to say? You emphasize too much the importance of war (by going forward with the proposed organization of the history pages).
What happens to other important aspects of the history of the New World? You minimize war pages, great alliances. You minimize great "religious" movements (Dioism, Churcism, etc.), political movements (Theocracy, Order of Gaia, etc.), cultural movements (Hypogeum, Goons, etc.). You minimize great influential citizens: military (Alucard Bloodlust), economy (Kaleb), "human rights" (Aryamehr), "religion" (Dio Brando), journalism (n3m0), philosophy (Teacher) and I could continue with the examples...
Just my humble opinion! --Belea2008 09:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Second idea is to create divisions and give some roles to our editors. I know that we have basic wiki roles, and now we are implementing mentors, but what do you think of implementing new departments. For example:

  • Development department
    • Main task: creating new and replacing old templates.
    • Chief of Development department: MiniBill
  • Translation department
    • Main task: translating pages
    • Chief of Translators: boring Andy
  • Country department
    • Main task: Improving articles about a country
    • Chief of Country Department: It depends for a country... For example, Chief of USA Country Department: Q J Lincoln
  • Region department
    • Main task: Standardization of all region articles - the same basic template and basic setup same for all region articles.
    • Chief: Q J Lincoln

Note: The names of departments, as well as chiefs, are just "provisional" and they are not for official use. All chiefs would answer to Admins and they would be monitored closely on their work.
What do you think? Would this be a good idea to "wake up" some editors, as well as to "encourage" active editors to be active all the time. I am waiting for your responses! ;) --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 11:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

/me emits a big *yawn*, while he wakes up --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 12:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Interesting idea, AndyCro. Though I kind of think that my role is a more holistic, dealing with wiki style, guidelines, and new users. As I am the one that patrols all of the new pages and slaps them with notices.  :P But I like this idea. I am also planning on rearranging the sysops team a bit (asking new people to join).--QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 16:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
And chiefs write, while others are silent... Quite often that happens I believe... :(
If you look on all talks here in the bar, only few people answer and write, and they are the most active people. Dividing tasks and giving the chance to someone becomes an expert in one or two or even more fields is something that any editor could be interested. And I think that editors would find easier to talk with people that are experienced in one field that interest them. Of course, bar will always be here for all editors. Think about it, I have 8 days of college obligations, and than I will read your ideas about my idea. :D --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 14:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the above idea. I suggest to make departments based on subjects, not on type of templates associated with pages. I think that a department devoted to USA for example will be more attractive than a department based on translations. Is my suggestion related to what are you proposing? --Belea2008 09:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Uber Editor Nominations

Well, I think it is time to recognize some more people for their hard work on the wiki. We are now at over 7000 articles and part of that is due to everyone's hard work. In accordance to the procedure in EREP:UBER. I would like to nominate the following users to be Uber Editors.

So, everyone can review their contributions Special:ContributionScores. All can leave comments. Other Uber Editors are asked to vote on the nominations. Voting will last 7 days. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 16:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I am honored by my nomination. Thank you. I will do my best to continue contributing to the wiki as often and as much as I can. Chris Stanwick 16:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I too am very grateful for my nomination. I haven't been very active this month as I have been busy with my matriculation exams but I will keep contributing to the wiki community(and especially trying to keep Finnish pages up to date) no matter what's the final decision. Thank you! --Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 23:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
A third one saying thanks a lot for the nomination. I haven't been active in quite some time. I'd like to blame it on... something, but it's mostly been due to me simply not having time to do it. I can barely do my two clicks a day now. But hey, I'll do my best to get back into the writing of articles. Either way, I'm very honored. I'll try my best to at least get one vote. =D KristofferAG Icon-Norway.pngTALK 16:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

All Right! No objections. Welcome new Uber Editors! --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 16:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I am honored, thank you! :) --Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 17:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations to all of you! --Belea2008 08:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the award. I must say however, it came at an awkward time because I've gone a bit inactive in the past few weeks as I have just moved back to college and have limited access to the internet and even less time for eRep. This will motivate me to do more wikiwork though. Thanks! --Esteban Delgado.
As an Uber Editor, I congratulate all newly nominated Ubers. Let you be an example for new editors. --Icon-Poland.png Grzechooo (his discussion) 17:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Crappy Job--- but someone's got to do it

Ok, we have an image file management issue. In some cases we have 4 different versions of THE SAME File... I am talking specifically about the game icons - for strength, ranks, achievements, etc. I need a volunteer who will

  • Check out this list [[3]]
  • Find duplicate files
  • Designate one MASTER icon and have it with a decent naming convention (like proper spelling) and the Category:Game Icons
  • View the images that need to go and check the pages that use the icons, and update the pages
  • Put delete templates on the ones that need to go.

MiniBill, could a Bot help with this? --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 18:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll do it. --Chris Stanwick 18:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
The Master icon files will be the only ones in the Game Icon category and subcategories. All other icon files will be removed from those categories and marked for deletion. I am changing the file name on all the pages that link to files marked for deletion as well, so they will be correct. Now understanding the depth of this project (there are hundreds of pages that need to be redone with new file names), I cannot guarantee that I'll finish within a day or two. Might take a bit longer. --Chris Stanwick 20:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
That is why I said it was a crappy job! It will take a few days to do. Don't burn yourself out. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 01:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm actually enjoying it. Gives me something to do. --Chris Stanwick 02:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Chris you just became my idol. Good luck! --Icon-Finland.png Kuhaa|Talk to me 05:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a problem for those in the know. In an effort to create a naming convention for the icon files, I need to rename a few. Is it possible to rename a file without uploading it anew under the new name? Is there a way to change the current file name? Hopefully someone knows so that all the icon files have similar name formats. Thanks. --Chris Stanwick 14:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

In theory you can move icon files as you could move articles. In theory. :D
Also, try to determine master for all icons that you edit... For example. There are Flag-Country icons and Icon-Country icons, both of them are used for different things and plus many more that have different names, but in fact they are country flag icons. We (You) should determine what form should be used. For example. Flag-Country is excellent for usage, because you know that if you need a flag of one country, you will simply write Flag-Name of the country.jpg and the Flag will appear. This "standardization" should be used for all fields. For example, for Military Ranks... Military-Name of the rank.jpg. This would make easier for every editor to find icons that he/she needs. And also, when we (you) create all standardizations, we could create an image finder guide. And again, I have written a lot of text... This college of mine is a terrible thing for you... You have to read a lot. xD
And yes, I have moved even further ahead, I know that QJ only was thinking on few icons for strength, ranks, achievements but I would like that we sort all icons, because it is an icon forest. Thank you all for reading. --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 17:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
WHATCH OUT flags are used in templates, if you change the name you will provoke an apocalypse. Beware! Be very careful before touching template-related files --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 19:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I haven't changed any names yet, but as I do, I will definitely look to see where they link. If they link to a template, and I've already run across this, I'll either make that file the master or change the template to reflect the new file, which I did for the Medal templates already. Files don't seem to have the move option like articles, at least I haven't found out how yet. I would like to standardize naming conventions and categorize most if not all files in the wiki as I go, it will make things much easier in the long run and the main files will be easy for anyone to find so that they do not upload multiple copies of the same file with many different names. --Chris Stanwick 20:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I actually didn't mean everything should have the game icon category.... I meant to say be sub categories of game icons. My mistake, so Chris, no more game Icons, ok?--QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 17:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Lol, sorry about that. I've been adding everything to both sub-categories and the main. I'll fix it and stop adding the files to the main game icon category. I've also been creating a few new categories for files as I see a need for them. Hopefully that's okay...I'm trying to limit the number of new categories as much as possible. --Chris Stanwick 19:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Crappy Job - second edition

OK, I was researching a little bit and I have found 5 country flag templates:

Could we try to decreased to 2 templates? I would like to hear the opinions of all authors (User:JohnDaker, User:MiniBill, User:Seductiv and User:Belea2008) as well of all editors that are using or planning to use one of templates mentioned above. --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 18:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I suggest keeping three and removing the two with very few links. FlagLink, CountryLink, and FlagBall are all regularly used and unique. FlagLink/Doc and CountryLinkNormal are not unique enough to warrant their continued existence. Plus, it would be a pain in the arse to change the 700, 2900, or 3500 articles that use the main three templates. --Chris Stanwick 19:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I strongly suggest only one template called: Template:Flag. This template could have the following parameters: ball/rectangular, size, country/no country, link/no link. What do you think? --Belea2008 20:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
And I wouldn't spend time changing flags used in signatures on talk pages. This is just a waste of time. Spend time on CONTENT pages. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 20:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Reason I was doing so was to clear all the pages linked to that file so the file could be deleted as it is a duplicate of the master file. Why he had to upload a separate file to use in his signature I have no idea, but it is a thorn in my side. I don't mind cleaning it up though. --Chris Stanwick 21:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
My bot seems to have been killed by the version change, but I guess I'll have to revive it. If I had the time! (doing too much stuff lately) --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 06:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Following Flag files are not linked to any pages and should be considered for a deletion:
Flag of Canada.gif, - Austria-flag.jpg, - Spain.gif, - Australia-flag.jpg, - Czech-Republic-Flag.jpg, - Flag France.jpg...etc... (anyway they are all marked for a deletion.)
Files have been replaced by an existing flag file (Flag-Country)----Hrvat User_talk:Hrvat 04:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Translated citizen template

I've done the preparations for Template:Citizen to be translated, the possible future /Core can be found at User:Squirrel/Sandbox, a sample translated template at User:Squirrel/Sandbox/Quack, and the only subtemplate I needed to slightly modify, Template:Office, at User:Squirrel/Sandbox/Office.

I ran to one small problem, though. The translated template does not seem to pass the picture parameter properly, thus if it's not present, you get the default "Unknown person" image on the final template. Can some template guru have a glance at it - is there some smarter way to fix it than using some magic string signifying that no image was passed? At the moment it passes a whitespace because the core template checks with #ifeq, but the result is the exact same as with nothing passed. --Icon-Finland.png Squirrel TC 11:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Wait! There already is an Template:ICitizen --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 11:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'll be damned. :D If nothing else, that was good template training then, I suppose. --Icon-Finland.png Squirrel TC 11:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good training. And you can compare the two templates, and understand what was wrong with yours --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 11:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. :) --Icon-Finland.png Squirrel TC 11:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

New languages

From now on, we should not add new languages if there is not a concerted effort to translate pages into that languages. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

When we started to translate pages to Finnish, we first translated Main Page and the articles from MenuV1. Then we picked articles those pages linked to and so on... I believe that's better way to start translating wiki than just picking random articles. I think editors should be advised to start like we did if you decide to make this new rule. That way it's easier for them to keep track what pages have already been translated and their articles will be well connected.--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 17:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we should make a condition that several key articles (Main menu, etc) have to be translated before we can implement a language. I even think that this should be a new rule for translators. ;) --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 15:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
We should create some kind of a incubator for new languages, and if language is well-developed (key articles like Main Page etc.) then move it out of incubator (maybe some bot could do it). --Icon-Poland.png Grzechooo (his discussion) 14:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
+1 on the idea of first having main page+menuV1+fundamental pages translated, although we may find that some citizens would like to have their citizen page translated, but are not willing to do other translations --Mini "Template" Bill Icon-Italy.png bother me! 11:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

eRepublik:Citizen Page Tutorial is operational! ;)

I have removed all articles to to correct places so the links are not broken any more. The only problem are "links" that are not used in the tutorial:

Now, you are probably wondering why am I putting this information here... TUTORIAL IS COMPLETELY TRANSLATED IN SERBIAN AND SOUMI LANGUAGE so if any of you would be so brave to try to translate into other languages he/she can try. Simply visit: eRepublik:Citizen Page Tutorial ;) --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 15:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Good work! :awesome: --Belea2008 14:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Portals and their proper usage.

I think we need to have a clear discussion on what portals are for and what they should be used for. So far the portals that have been created are for large subjects like Portal:Military and Portal:Dioism and for countries like Portal:Japan and Portal:India. However, a trend has started where people are creating portals for political parties. I personally think that this should not be allowed. There are not so many articles related to a party that they cannot all be linked with wiki links. So I think we need to come to a consensus...

So I ask you... Should political parties be allowed to have portals?
No

  • +1Portals should be limited to Countries and "BIG TOPICS". Portals require a lot of updates that users do not seem to maintain once they are started. Political party pages change very often, so a portal could quickly become out of date. Political parties also change names frequently and leadership often. A party name change would mean, according to the way we do name changes, a dead portal. A change in leadership could mean the lack of desire to keep the portal updated. Party portals have the possibility to turn the wiki into a "non-neutral" space of party propaganda. Parties do not have enough wiki pages to make a portal worth it, most party information can be kept to one to three wiki pages. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • +1 Parties are not "big enough" as structures/entities/influence/manifestation/changes/improvements in order to "deserve" a portal. Just my humble opinion! --Belea2008 16:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • The wiki is not an advertising venue. It's as simple as that.
+1 - –Dr. AgentChieftain Flag of the Crescent and Star PPP! B / C / D / F / P / S 15:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Off Topic --- "The wiki is not an advertising venue." --- Are you sure? (*cough* A celebrity reading The Book *cough*) :lol: --Belea2008 07:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • +1 Most party pages are already horribly outdated, and many are abandoned when the party changes its name. Portals should remain only for large encompassing projects, such as countries and wiki projects. --Chris Stanwick 16:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • As a citizen of eUK well acquainted with both parties, I feel that my opinion may be of some use. Some time in May, RFA started an "umbrella party" policy, which basically allied themselves with many small parties allowing them to tun under their banner in Congress/President elections. Their plan was to have a portal linking to each party page and their main figures. This was completely abandoned after one month, so the portal was abandoned. As one of the main wiki editors of eUK, I am willing to contact the current leadership of the party and offer any assistance for them to make a proper wiki page again. FDP, on the other hand, formed a week or so ago, so we can still stop this trend from developing.
+1 --Citizen596922.jpg malta_1990 Icon-Malta.png Icon-UK.png 16:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • +1 Don't have much to add to what's already been said. Although they look great, it's likely they'll become abandoned at some point. --Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 16:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I love you guys for speaking up (not just for agreeing with me). <3 --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 18:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking what to write on this problem - Yes or No. Unfortunately, I must say no. There is absolutly no need to create a portal for party. It is more than enough to create one article. Maybe some subarticles, but portal? If CyD, one of the largest party articles, managed to have only one article about party, then I believe that no one needs a portal. ;) --AndyCro Icon-Croatia.png Click here to talk with me baby! ;) 06:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  • +1 Yes I agree that portals should be limited only to countries or huge subjects with many articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srachit (talkcontribs)

Yes

  • +1 This is hardly a trend, I created the RFA page back in June and abandoned it soon after when I left the UK. Malta is incorrect, I chose a portal for two reasons: Asthetics, and because of the potential to have sections such as "Party Member of the Day", "Propaganda of the Day", "Party Leadership" and "News". Parties like Countries are groups of players and can be the subject of the very same sections, in fact some countries are smaller than some parties. If circumstances had been different it would have been a fully detailed Portal Page with just as much information as the national ones. I can't object if it is changed back to the normal party format as the page is incomplete, but if someone is willing to put in the time to make a fully detailed and updated portal for a party - what is the harm? Although what happened to the RFA page is proof of your criticisms I guess! --Goku Jones 18:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
"if someone is willing to put in the time to make a fully detailed and updated portal for a party - what is the harm?" - this is how Wiki content shows its importance. If a page or group of pages is lingering, it may be a high possibility that the subject of that page/pages to be not widely of interest. Also, the main idea is that almost no one (at the moment) is willing yo invest time and energy. Also, the main ideas with portals is that topics reach a certain web of pages and portals are used to connect those pages. So, pages with information first, then a portal about the subject; not the other way around. Do you understand what I mean? --Belea2008 07:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • +1 I see absolutely no reason to limit how Parties can be represented on the Wiki. Given that parties can contain hundreds of players and may acquire a complex structure, I think multiple pages suit them well. I do not believe it necessary to gratuitously restrict what contributors can do. Aelar Vardamir Anari Eneibari 14:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
all pages in the wiki must follow the guidelines of neutrality. Including those for parties, which are inherently non-neutral entities Portals should only be created if there is enough content to create the portal. Content FIRST, Portal Second. Create your content and then make the determination if a portal is warranted. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 15:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree totally with that, but you are contradicting yourself a little. Obviously neither of the UK party portals should exist, but that is no reason to block any party portals in the future IF they have the content required. It seems clear to me that he question "So I ask you... Should political parties be allowed to have portals?" should be answered with "Yes, if they have a large amount of existing content which justifies it". The judgment should be on the amount of content, and not on the type of organization. The Dioism portal is an example of how portals can be used properly on "political parties". --Goku Jones 18:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Might you perhaps refrain from deleting it then for a few days, to give us the chance to compose said content? I will not raise a single murmur of protest if we have less than 5 screens of article. Aelar Vardamir Anari Eneibari 03:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe you could ever create enough content to make a portal necessary. 5 pages does not make a portal necessary. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

New Notice

Hi, I have created this new notice to put on translated pages that are not complete Template:Translation incomplete. I think this fits better than using stub or formatting. {{Translation incomplete}}

Are there any other notice templates that we need? By the way, I don't see much sense in translating these templates. These really should only be on a page for a short amount of time... you know... in theory. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

That's useful. Should it be added to the list of notices?--Citizen1034012 v2.jpgKuhaa|Talk to me 07:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Where is user MachineMadness?

OK, what happened with him and his user page?

To whomever wrote this (sign please). When redirects were wiped out in May, if people had their User Pages redirected to citizen pages, the user pages got deleted. I have restored User:MachineMadness. This is why we don't redirect user pages to citizen pages. --QJ Lincoln Talk To Me 13:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)